[Ammi]

.... feeling hated, unwanted, unloved, ugly, different or whatever etc....?...comes from inside and from self as well, Adam...in how our heads and emotions process things...which is why we’ll never prevent suicides, sadly...people need to be in a place for and open to ‘help’ and that’s sadly not always the case...


...I don’t justify any of the things you’ve mention, like keyboard warrior stuff...but I think ‘laying blame’ in specific areas that we just have no idea or knowledge about...?...is equally as dangerous and wrong...

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.... feeling hated, unwanted, unloved, ugly, different or whatever etc....?...comes from inside and from self as well, Adam...in how our heads and emotions process things...which is why we’ll never prevent suicides, sadly...people need to be in a place for and open to ‘help’ and that’s sadly not always the case...


...I don’t justify any of the things you’ve mention, like keyboard warrior stuff...but I think ‘laying blame’ in specific areas that we just have no idea or knowledge about...?...is equally as dangerous and wrong...

I think in this case though it's the media and so called journalists whi have blood on their hands by not allowing her to move on and was still making nasty stories about her hours before her death and then the CPS still wanting her to be prosecuted when she was at her lowest even though the person who the charges were against made it clear he would press charges and wouldnt cooperate with them.

[GoldHeart]

Must of been an ongoing problem with her boyfriend and her mental health, who knows what was going on behind closed doors.

But once police gets involved especially when you're in the public eye, it's going to taint your reputation.

And regarding mental heath ,the media & press are called vultures for a reason. Have people forgotten the Disgusting treatment of Britney? .

She literally had a breakdown in front of them and they just continued taking photos of her in a vulnerable stage. They don't care about people's feelings .

[bots]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

I think in this case though it's the media and so called journalists whi have blood on their hands by not allowing her to move on and was still making nasty stories about her hours before her death and then the CPS still wanting her to be prosecuted when she was at her lowest even though the person who the charges were against made it clear he would press charges and wouldnt cooperate with them.

...I honestly, completely understand how you feel about this .....but I just think it’s being ‘simplified’ because of what we know...but there are huge complexities to what we don’t know...maybe I’m feeling like that because of my own experience of someone I know, having taken her life...and the complexities that were involved that a ‘wider knowledge’ would not be so aware of...the tabloid media are awful, they’ve always been awful...but then we as the public ‘buy into that awFul’ with every bit of interest and debate etc, we have with their awful headlines...so how far does that ‘blood on their hands..’...extend, is the thing to think of as well...

...I understand also with the CPS...but obviously her boyfriend and the victim of the assault was emotionally involved ...and it’s for the CPS to make decisions that may go against a wish, he had...but they felt it was the right one ‘in protection of...’...you know...because there are so many potential ‘outcomes’ to situations that they have to consider as well...

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I honestly, completely understand how you feel about this .....but I just think it’s being ‘simplified’ because of what we know...but there are huge complexities to what we don’t know...maybe I’m feeling like that because of my own experience of someone I know, having taken her life...and the complexities that were involved that a ‘wider knowledge’ would not be so aware of...the tabloid media are awful, they’ve always been awful...but then we as the public ‘buy into that awFul’ with every bit of interest and debate etc, we have with their awful headlines...so how far does that ‘blood on their hands..’...extend, is the thing to think of as well...

...I understand also with the CPS...but obviously her boyfriend and the victim of the assault was emotionally involved ...and it’s for the CPS to make decisions that may go against a wish, he had...but they felt it was the right one ‘in protection of...’...you know...because there are so many potential ‘outcomes’ to situations that they have to consider as well...

Om the CPS I dont think it's always in the best interest for a prison sentence especially when the accused is not mentally well, it think there are other ways they could have helped instead of pushing for a prison sentence or at least telling her that was the plan when she clearly wasnt in a fit mental state.

Also I'm sure I read she has had suicidal thoughts in the past before the whole assault thing kicked off so I do think she has been failed on a whole by everyone as in some cases it's easier to suffer then ask for help

[Liam-]

I think going to court could have been really good her her, she was clearly in a a very dark place, they could have very easily offered her the counselling and help she needed.

I’ve found her death much sadder than I thought I would, at one stage she was my favourite tv presenter, her energy and her spirit were infectious and everything she was on, she made it shine with her personality, even that disastrous series of X Factor, her being there made it work more than it should have, to very publicly see her slide into darkness shows how devastating mental health issues are, it’s sad that such a lovely woman felt there was no helping her.

[Denver]

Another sad thing is how she put so much trust into Dan Wootton for him to then lead a charge of bullying against her then he had the audacity to make out he is very sad about her death same with Piers Morgan

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Another sad thing is how she put so much trust into Dan Wootton for him to then lead a charge of bullying against her then he had the audacity to make out he is very sad about her death same with Piers Morgan

Dan Wooton is a slimy goblin ,why do people still give him the time of day .

Everything about him infuriates me, from his voice to how he sits like a greasy sack of potatoes with that stupid smile on his face .

[arista]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Another sad thing is how she put so much trust into Dan Wootton for him to then lead a charge of bullying against her then he had the audacity to make out he is very sad about her death same with Piers Morgan

She can do that
nothing wrong with that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps had she not chosen to go down the fame route she would still have ended up with way just with her social life and group of friends as the vast mjority of people who take their lives do

dont forget that the day she killed herself so did 15 others in the UK, today 16 will kill themselves and tomorrow and the next day and every day this year.

People always look to blame something, its natural.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Perhaps had she not chosen to go down the fame route she would still have ended up with way just with her social life and group of friends as the vast mjority of people who take their lives do

dont forget that the day she killed herself so did 15 others in the UK, today 16 will kill themselves and tomorrow and the next day and every day this year.

People always look to blame something, its natural.

And correct. Usually it is other people and their hateful words that are responsible. So no good shifting the blame.

[Saph]

Its funny how people on twitter have suddenly become her biggest fan.. the fakery is too much

people can point the finger at whoever they like, but she must've had some pretty big demons over her shoulder to do something like this.

We cant say ITV didnt give her the support she needed because nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.. I do think the papers need to take this as a lesson though, they've been constantly adding fuel to the fire over this and all these people online now posting about mental illness and "rip caroline" etc are all the ones who probably read these news stories in the first place and made judgements against her. Those people are suffering from a guilty conscience now it seems..

either way its very shocking and sad and whatever way you might have felt about her its still very upsetting

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Saph

Its funny how people on twitter have suddenly become her biggest fan.. the fakery is too much

people can point the finger at whoever they like, but she must've had some pretty big demons over her shoulder to do something like this.

We cant say ITV didnt give her the support she needed because nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.. I do think the papers need to take this as a lesson though, they've been constantly adding fuel to the fire over this and all these people online now posting about mental illness and "rip caroline" etc are all the ones who probably read these news stories in the first place and made judgements against her. Those people are suffering from a guilty conscience now it seems..

either way its very shocking and sad and whatever way you might have felt about her its still very upsetting

Of course it's tragic , I was never a Caroline flack or a Amy Winehouse fan but I can still acknowledge that it's unpleasant situations.

People like Dan Wooton are the fake ones , he talks so much garbage on everyone. He's a greasy mouldy potato.

But we all judge people due to their actions . Nobody is exempt from criticism, and the recent assault drama was obviously going to divide opinion on Caroline.

Jade Goody was one the most hated women in Britain back in CBB,then when she was diagnosed with terminal cancer people felt bad for her and stopped hating on her.

You have to remember that public opinions change more times than the wind , people are fickle that's life.

[Strictly Jake]

As a forum I think we were all too quick to believe what newspapers were saying and we did point fingers and say not so nice things. But we never knew the true story and headlines were maybe misleading us who knows. I was one of the ones that said caroline should be punished as if it were the other way a man would be. Regardless of what happened this outcome is awful

We still dont know the full story but for the caroline we knew before it all she seemed a lovely and funny woman. She will be missed. Rip caroline x

[arista]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

As a forum I think we were all too quick to believe what newspapers were saying and we did point fingers and say not so nice things. But we never knew the true story and headlines were maybe misleading us who knows. I was one of the ones that said caroline should be punished as if it were the other way a man would be. Regardless of what happened this outcome is awful

We still dont know the full story but for the caroline we knew before it all she seemed a lovely and funny woman. She will be missed. Rip caroline x

Sod the Papers
it went to Court was on Every TV show and News

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

As a forum I think we were all too quick to believe what newspapers were saying and we did point fingers and say not so nice things. But we never knew the true story and headlines were maybe misleading us who knows. I was one of the ones that said caroline should be punished as if it were the other way a man would be. Regardless of what happened this outcome is awful

We still dont know the full story but for the caroline we knew before it all she seemed a lovely and funny woman. She will be missed. Rip caroline x

...it’s kind of a mixed thing though, I think, Jake...a huge part of the forum that we are is that we discuss and debate and argue over etc......these stories...if we took that bit away...?...we would be taking away a large piece of what makes us, us...

[GoldHeart]

But obviously things get discussed usually the big headlines, we don't know the full story but we still form opinions and make judgements.it's not always hate .

Do I have to bring up MJ , plenty still think he was guilty . In death people will still discuss your scandals & issues .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But obviously things get discussed usually the big headlines, we don't know the full story but we still form opinions and make judgements.it's not always hate .

Do I have to bring up MJ , plenty still think he was guilty . In death people will still discuss your scandals & issues .

Yes ,people were happy to read all the salacious stuff but not the other side, the tabloids were vile to MJ , no denying that , poor guy couldn't breath for them, the child abuse must have been nectar to them ,bloody leeches, as for Caroline,they really gunned for her aswell, they really do need to stop and think what they are doing to people.

[Ammi]

...I think it’s as someone has just said on the radio...the unnecessary things written about her in these articles that are as much click/bait opinion and slant, as they are fact...wouldn’t be the reason for her unstable emotional and mental health ...but everything will have possibly contributed another ‘layer’...the only ‘control’ we’ll ever have over that is the control we have with ourselves and how we ourselves, contribute...how we add...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes ,people were happy to read all the salacious stuff but not the other side, the tabloids were vile to MJ , no denying that , poor guy couldn't breath for them, the child abuse must have been nectar to them ,bloody leeches, as for Caroline,they really gunned for her aswell, they really do need to stop and think what they are doing to people.

They don't care about people's mental health though .

As the Britney song goes 'you want a piece of me ' , she knows exactly how horrible they can be. She was at her worst and still got harassed and tormented by them.

[Zizu]

The real shame is that when she really needed help and reached out to a friend for help ..that person, for whatever reason told her she was ‘draining’ ... that’s sad.

I would imagine that person will keep that ‘moment’ to themselves and we will never know who it was . Probably for the best as well .


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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The real shame is that when she really needed help and reached out to a friend for help ..that person, for whatever reason told her she was ‘draining’ ... that’s sad.




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It is something that person will have to live with but in all honesty thats human nature too. I have a friend who is always down, no matter how many good things happen in her life she spins it to a negative. It is draining always trying to pick her up. Maybe whoever Caroline reached out to had their own problems too....

[Wizard.]

I woke up forgetting about this until I checked my phone and was reminded of the news. I’m still so saddened by this.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Wizard.

I woke up forgetting about this until I checked my phone and was reminded of the news. I’m still so saddened by this.

She was on my mind all day yesterday. I couldn't even sleep.