[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well with thoughtful and nuanced discussion like this, who could argue? Good job chaps you did it, everything will be better now, and lessons have been learned all round. Personally I just hadn't looked at it that way before, but you've really opened my eyes.

And thanks to the white man to school black men on how to react to being called a monkey.

[Liam-]

‘Why can’t they just sit and let people racially abuse them in public? They’re so unreasonable! Just let us be racist fgs’

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

‘Why can’t they just sit and let people racially abuse them in public? They’re so unreasonable! Just let us be racist fgs’

"An old whose punch you probably wouldn't even notice is a physical match for someone about a hundredth of his age, and therefore going full on Chris Brown is justified"

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"An old whose punch you probably wouldn't even notice is a physical match for someone about a hundredth of his age, and therefore going full on Chris Brown is justified"

A grown up violent racist is a violent racist, don’t throw a punch at a random person and expect them not to hit you back just because you’re old

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Martin Luther KIng


"Prior to reading Gandhi, I had about concluded that the ethics of Jesus were
only effective in individual relationships. The "turn the other cheek" philosophy
and the "love your enemies" philosophy were only valid, I felt, when individuals
were in conflict with other individuals; when racial groups and nations were in
conflict, a more realistic approach seemed necessary. But after reading Gandhi,
I saw how utterly mistaken I was.

Gandhi was probably the first person in history to lift the love ethic of Jesus
above mere interaction between individuals to a powerful and effective social
force on a large scale. Love for Gandhi was a potent instrument for social and
collective transformation. It was in this Gandhian emphasis on love and
nonviolence that I discovered the method for social reform that I had been
seeking."


how soon wise words have been forgotten

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Martin Luther KIng


"Prior to reading Gandhi, I had about concluded that the ethics of Jesus were
only effective in individual relationships. The "turn the other cheek" philosophy
and the "love your enemies" philosophy were only valid, I felt, when individuals
were in conflict with other individuals; when racial groups and nations were in
conflict, a more realistic approach seemed necessary. But after reading Gandhi,
I saw how utterly mistaken I was.

Gandhi was probably the first person in history to lift the love ethic of Jesus
above mere interaction between individuals to a powerful and effective social
force on a large scale. Love for Gandhi was a potent instrument for social and
collective transformation. It was in this Gandhian emphasis on love and
nonviolence that I discovered the method for social reform that I had been
seeking."


how soon wise words have been forgotten

Just remind me how white supremacists rewarded Dr King, for all his talk of peace and integration?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just remind me how white supremacists rewarded Dr King, for all his talk of peace and integration?

You're right Slim - did he really think that sort of namby-pamby rhetoric would work? LOL what an absolute idiot! What an absolute dope! So naive, really sad. If he'd done the sensible thing and gone out cracking skulls, the civil rights movement would be LIGHTYEARS ahead of where it is now am I right?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're right Slim - did he really think that sort of namby-pamby rhetoric would work? LOL what an absolute idiot! What an absolute dope! So naive, really sad. If he'd done the sensible thing and gone out cracking skulls, the civil rights movement would be LIGHTYEARS ahead of where it is now am I right?

I hope this post is snarkily aimed at other people, because you've extrapolated a hell of a lot if that's a genuine reply to my post.

Also worth noting, that even as MLK was spreading his message of peace, he was accused of causing rioting and violence.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I hope this post is snarkily aimed at other people, because you've extrapolated a hell of a lot if that's a genuine reply to my post.

Also worth noting, that even as MLK was spreading his message of peace, he was accused of causing rioting and violence.

My point was that MLK was well aware of how he was likely to be rewarded by white supremacists for his words and actions, and yet he continued to fight using words instead of fists, which is why he's remembered as great. But here we are in a thread in 2020 arguing over whether or not it's OK (or apparently even desirable) for a racist old man to get his head bashed in on a bus. Depressing as **** really.

[Liam-]

Why are you so agitated by people not agreeing with you on this?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why are you so agitated by people not agreeing with you on this?

I have no problem with reasoned disagreement, I get tired of bothering to think about a topic only to be met with a wall of boring dogma.

[Liam-]

*A violent, racist old man

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

*A violent, racist old man

Sure but as I said earlier, I'm just not accepting that an old man throwing his boney little hands at adult men is a realistic threat... it's just nonsense. I also don't believe for a second that the retaliation was because of the physical attack, it was because of what he was saying. At least I actually HOPE so because like I've said, I understand why the things he was saying could cause someone to lose their cool and lash out... if it wasn't for the words that had been spoken there'd be no justification AT ALL for a large young adult male "hitting back" at a 70 year old throwing some feeble punches.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

about as violent as Theresa may

[Liam-]

The only thing they did wrong was the second guy joining in, that was probably too much

[Liam-]

That is... possibly the worst analogy or comparison I’ve seen on here. Wild.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That is... possibly the worst analogy or comparison I’ve seen on here. Wild.

Says someone who thinks using words is worse than using fists.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Says someone who thinks using words is worse than using fists.

You’ve just compared a volatile racist to a rape victim, either you actually don’t see the glaring difference or you’re just sensationalising to get a reaction, either way, it’s foul

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You’ve just compared a volatile racist to a rape victim, either you actually don’t see the glaring difference or you’re just sensationalising to get a reaction, either way, it’s foul

I've compared a victim of assault to a victim of rape. One used provocative words, one wears "provocative" clothes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've compared a victim of assault to a victim of rape. One used provocative words, one wears "provocative" clothes.

Racially abusing someone is as provocative as a woman going about her day in a short skirt?

Have I hit my head and ended up in the 50's in a comatose fever dream?

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That is... possibly the worst analogy or comparison I’ve seen on here. Wild.

Insane

[Liam-]

Yeah, you’re looking for a reaction, not a good look Oliver

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Ban

[Oliver_W]

Okay I take that comment back, it was too extreme of a comparative example, and stupid.

But it's still victim blaming to suggest the old man deserved or was asking for the violence he received.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay I take that comment back, it was too extreme of a comparative example, and stupid.

But it's still victim blaming to suggest the old man deserved or was asking for the violence he received.

I mean that’s great but he did ask for by throwing the first punch. His stupid racist arse violently escalated it.