[Ammi]

...I don’t recall any reference to any other Royal female’s birth heritage and being the wrong side of the tracks or exotic DNA or their child inferred as a chimpanzee image....she’s very unique in some specifics of criticism she’s had of being all wrong for the Royal family...and it’s not that she’s the only one who has had criticism and scrutinise etc but hers have been more excessive by far, hence having been named as one of the most trolled people in the world at one point...Diana was definitely hounded and yeah, we all know that turned out...and why I completely understand Harry’s sense of protection always being very much in the forefront...’getting it bad’ for female members of the Royal family is no justification, of well...she’s not the only one...because no one should have to endure such extremes of criticisms, rather than just continuing and adding to...

...the internet and social media has changed our world also from Diana days to make them less compatible to modern times...which also would intensify more layers, I would think....but I’m not comparing as such because others having gone through negative stuff as well, just isn’t a justification or relevant at all....

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

Diana, Fergie and Kate all got it bad too in the early days. Meghan gets it worse for a reason, she unwisely set herself against the media from the start.
If you don't know how it all played out, I'm sure you can find it with some research?

I honestly believe that Meghan gets it worse because its Harry she's married to. There are a lot of people, my age and a little older who still seem to see Harry as that little boy behind his mum's funeral carriage. They seem to think he needs protecting from this horrid American woman who has changed him from that little boy/ cheeky teenager/ carefree guy he was into an under the thumb brow beaten shadow of himself. Not that he is now mid 30s, a husband and father who has grown into the man he wants to be

Fergie got abuse worse than Diana did..(Diana got a lot of attention, mainly positive as everyone loved her) but back then the abuse wasn't as far reaching as the internet wasn't that big a thing.

I truly pity anyone in the public eye now....there will always be those who want to put them down. I find it so sad, I really do.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

I can't answer that - I go from what I have read in a few articles. There was one written by a royal reporter early last year who was furious that these 'Sugars' were the ones who started an malicious rumor that William was having an affair.
I assumed they had a fan forum or something....

...but you say Oh believe me she has rabid fans - have you never heard of the 'Sugars'....because you choose to believe something you’ve read but have no evidence of, so is essentially hearsay... can you not see the dangers of misinformation in believe hearsay and especially as everyone tends to come from a place of bias anyway...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but you say Oh believe me she has rabid fans - have you never heard of the 'Sugars'....because you choose to believe something you’ve read but have no evidence of, so is essentially hearsay... an you not see the dangers of misinformation in believe hearsay and especially as everyone tends to come from a place of bias anyway...

Yes, I believe she has rabid fans, those who call people haters and toxic and racist and sexist and all sorts just because they don't like her for their own given reasons without putting other posters down....so I have evidence that she has rabid fans, it is not hearsay IMO, unless you condone slurs like that and see them as normal for not agreeing with someone.
As for the 'Sugars' I assumed they had some sort of fan forum, it appears not?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, I believe she has rabid fans, those who call people haters and toxic and racist and sexist and all sorts just because they don't like her for their own given reasons without putting other posters down....so I have evidence that she has rabid fans, it is not hearsay IMO, unless you condone slurs like that and see them as normal for not agreeing with someone.
As for the 'Sugars' I assumed they had some sort of fan forum, it appears not?

...(...from what I can see atm...)...it’s a label that was applied by
some detractors...and I personally would guess that it’s only a very few detractors and not a label that’s widely attached, but I obviously don’t know that...I guess it’s possible to create a type of #sugar/thing quite easily but it won’t become widespread and grow necessarily, if it’s just self created by a few...it doesn’t seem to have grown or ‘become a thing’ and I can see no evidence of it existing and therefore that would follow that there would be no evidence of any ‘extreme or hateful’ behaviour attached to it, like death threats...that’s not to say that any individual isn’t capable of a death threat if their character is extreme, but there is no evidence of it being some kind of widespread ‘typical group behaviour’...but there is evidence of her having haters and lots of them if she has ever been a ‘most trolled person’....I mean that would be unlikely to be one without the other, those things do have a definite attachment...I honestly don’t know what your definition of what a ‘rabid fan’ would be ...to feel a sense of support for someone who has experienced tabloid media bullying and media bias etc and I include social media in that media...that would really cover ‘rabid’ ...I can only think if she’s experiencing stalking behaviour from some fans....but I don’t recall that’s ever been experienced by her, maybe I missed some...whereas as criticism/hostility/negativity etc when very consistent and persistent, would be more accurate ...although, I don’t personally think ‘rabid’ is a term I would personally attach to her many detractors...I don’t think that any or whatever prejudice is a coverall behaviour because I don’t think there is a coverall as such...but for some people, I do feel their a factor...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, I believe she has rabid fans, those who call people haters and toxic and racist and sexist and all sorts just because they don't like her for their own given reasons without putting other posters down....so I have evidence that she has rabid fans, it is not hearsay IMO, unless you condone slurs like that and see them as normal for not agreeing with someone.
As for the 'Sugars' I assumed they had some sort of fan forum, it appears not?

...for the pro Meghan or pro her fans stuff, you would assume truth in that as well without question ...oh believe me they are lovely etc...I don’t even need to see what I think because people have said...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t recall any reference to any other Royal female’s birth heritage and being the wrong side of the tracks or exotic DNA or their child inferred as a chimpanzee image....she’s very unique in some specifics of criticism she’s had of being all wrong for the Royal family...and it’s not that she’s the only one who has had criticism and scrutinise etc but hers have been more excessive by far, hence having been named as one of the most trolled people in the world at one point...Diana was definitely hounded and yeah, we all know that turned out...and why I completely understand Harry’s sense of protection always being very much in the forefront...’getting it bad’ for female members of the Royal family is no justification, of well...she’s not the only one...because no one should have to endure such extremes of criticisms, rather than just continuing and adding to...

...the internet and social media has changed our world also from Diana days to make them less compatible to modern times...which also would intensify more layers, I would think....but I’m not comparing as such because others having gone through negative stuff as well, just isn’t a justification or relevant at all....

Kate's family were vilified and endured all kinds of slurs for coming from the wrong side of the tracks, a commoner marrying into the royal family at a high level for the first time etc!
Shock horror! Her mother has been an air hostess and her mothers father (or grandfather?) a coal miner. Kate and her family conducted themselves with the dignity and grace that came naturally, whatever their background. They didn't set themselves up as victims, poor us, nobody is asking us if we are okay!

There were a few public racial slurs against Meghan which I absolutely think were detestable, but to imply, as she did, that the British were intrinsically racist as a result is categorically untrue. She pitted herself against the media in more ways than one, and the monster in the media retaliated. The world today is no la la land, it's real and brutal for everyone. She's doing fine in her mansion with her servants and nannies and she looks as if she's thriving on the drama, it vitalizes her imo. No need to worry about her or defend her at every turn, worry about those much less fortunate.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I honestly don’t know what your definition of what a ‘rabid fan’ would be ...

I already explained that - my definition of 'rabid' as opposed to just 'fan' is -

"those who call people haters and toxic and racist and sexist and all sorts just because they don't like her for their own given reasons without putting other posters down".

I can't be clearer than that.
.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jet

I already explained that - my definition of 'rabid' as opposed to just 'fan' is -

"those who call people haters and toxic and racist and sexist and all sorts just because they don't like her for their own given reasons without putting other posters down".

I can't be clearer than that.
.

What would you call someone who labels others as "sugars" rabid critics?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

What would you call someone who labels others as "sugars" rabid critics?

Are you classing the term 'sugars' as derogatory a term as racist and sexist being thrown around on this forum, not elsewhere, with no evidence whatsoever?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Kate's family were vilified and endured all kinds of slurs for coming from the wrong side of the tracks, a commoner marrying into the royal family at a high level for the first time etc!
Shock horror! Her mother has been an air hostess and her mothers father a coal miner. Kate and her family conducted themselves with the dignity and grace that came naturally, whatever their background. They didn't set themselves up as victims, poor us, nobody is asking us if we are okay!

There were a few public racial slurs against Meghan which I absolutely think were detestable, but to imply, as she did, that the British were intrinsically racist as a result is categorically untrue. She pitted herself against the media in more ways than one, and the monster in the media retaliated. The world today is no la la land, it's real and brutal for everyone. She's doing fine in her mansion with her servants and nannies and she looks as if she's thriving on the drama, it vitalizes her imo. No need to worry about her or defend her at every turn, worry about those much less fortunate.

...whatever criticisms of Kate or her family are more a ‘were’, though...they’re not apparent in any large way now nor have been for some time, to whatever degree they may have been...so her media treatment has had much more of a balance of being very much favoured by the media as well...and as her marriage progressed, her media appreciation grew as well, as it did when she became a parent...and we’ve compared the extreme differences in like for like headlines and articles...when Kate was pregnant/when Meghan was pregnant etc..Meghan’s criticism began when it was known that she would become a Royal and her criticism has been consistent and persistent and relentless, whether she be here, whether she be there, whether she be any old where...she didn’t set herself up to be a victim, she’s become a media victim and a victim of negativity in a very bullying way...and then she’s criticised for being that victim as well...she really can’t win, we don’t want to hear your moaning, young lady...you’re a Royal now, don’t you know and all of those Royals before you survived....there really isn’t one size fits all for coping with these things and she made it obvious at times that she struggled and was losing her coping ...but the media kept on and on as they still try to....


...as for prejudice, there has been racial prejudice and it isn’t for me to determine how much has been felt by her...but it’s something that Harry has spoken about as well, as never quite realising the extent of racial prejudice until he ‘experienced it through Meghan’ and it being aimed at her...prejudice doesn’t always scream and shout as it enters, it can be quite quiet and subtle and undercurrents but would still be very felt...it’s something that can’t be minimised by those having experienced it...

....I’m not really sure what would determine ‘fortunate’ either, because she’s as capable as any of us of any emotion that we would feel and she’s also as emotionally vulnerable as anyone else as well...we don’t have to direct ‘worry’ and concern and support etc in one single direction, it’s very much a multi tasking enabled thing...


...anyways, I really don’t want to go down any ‘comparison’ roads with other Royal wives or their families...because they’re not necessary to or relevant to the person/person’s behaviour being discussed to explain the extreme negative attention given to her by the media/social media ....

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jet

Are you classing the term 'sugars' as derogatory a term as racist and sexist being thrown around on this forum, not elsewhere, with no evidence whatsoever?

Hard to say since no one apart from yourself seems to have any idea what the term is supposed to mean, you brought it to the forum.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

I already explained that - my definition of 'rabid' as opposed to just 'fan' is -

"those who call people haters and toxic and racist and sexist and all sorts just because they don't like her for their own given reasons without putting other posters down".

I can't be clearer than that.
.

...so inferring that forum members are rabid fans/ defining some as that, which would be putting them down...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...for the pro Meghan or pro her fans stuff, you would assume truth in that as well without question ...oh believe me they are lovely etc...I don’t even need to see what I think because people have said...

As I have said in a post to Jordan above, I have SEEN, on this forum, people I consider as rabid fans from the slurs they throw around.
Do you really believe Ammi, that I am racist and sexist? Because you have never defended ME. I think you know I hate unfairness and people ganging up on others, and if I don't like Meghan, I have very good reasons for it. If you like her, fine, if others like her, fine. Explain why, that's what debate is about.
If I or others don't and make the effort to give our reasons, that should be respected. End of.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so inferring that forum members are rabid fans/ defining some as that, which would be putting them down...

Yes, some seem to be. But God forbid I should put a forum member down who is putting me down. Just take the slurs and shut up, eh?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....Meghan’s criticism began when it was known that she would become a Royal .

No, it absolutely did not.
The majority of the public were delighted with her, the media were delighted with her, I was delighted with her for quite some time after the marriage.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

As I have said in a post to Jordan above, I have SEEN, on this forum, people I consider as rabid fans from the slurs they throw around.
Do you really believe Ammi, that I am racist and sexist? Because you have never defended ME. I think you know I hate unfairness and people ganging up on others, and if I don't like Meghan, I have very good reasons for it. If you like her, fine, if others like her, fine. Explain why, that's what debate is about.
If I or others don't and make the effort to give our reasons, that should be respected. End of.

...but then you’re suggesting or inferring that if others are seeing something differently that they’re unjust and incorrect in some way to apply any labels or descriptives but you have SEEN rabid by your own self definition of what you feel rabid is...


...anyways, this is feeling too personal in terms of members and I don’t think anyone has any higher ground, anyway...I’ve said that before in Meghan threads, they start to become just circles that achieve no progressing at all and I obviously include myself in that...I personally think that the closing of these threads so regularly in comparison to most other topics is an indication of them offering very little in new discussions....and so far as I’ve seen, there are many, many reasons already stated over many threads as why Meghan has support in her marriage and her life from some but just because something is written, doesn’t mean that it’s absorbed by all...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Of course he can....and what a nice gesture it was of the two of them...thing is it wasnt just the two of them...he invited a film crew to record it and photographers....a deliberate swipe at the Monarchy.

So a veteran can pay respects.... just as long as it isn't Harry otherwise it's a plea for media coverage.

Kinda like how everyone is entitled to privacy.... Just as long as it's not Meghan because she's apparently the route of all evil in the world.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So a veteran can pay respects.... just as long as it isn't Harry otherwise it's a plea for media coverage.

Kinda like how everyone is entitled to privacy.... Just as long as it's not Meghan because she's apparently the route of all evil in the world.

Anyone can pay their respects....Harry and Meghan are the ones who have the desire for privacy but drag along the media...when it suits them. Harry was upset he wasn’t invited to the Remembrance ceremony as part of the Royal family...the family he opted to leave for a more private life ....but he and Meghan chose to make a public display of them showing their respects so that it was plastered all over the media....it was deliberate and if you can’t see it it’s because you choose not to.

[Marsh.]

No, he didn't leave the family. He left his job as a working Royal.

The constant twisting of everything is absolutely laughable. They want more privacy than what is afforded to working Royals and so they can't appear in public or in front of a camera ever again. He moves abroad (as many people do) and suddenly it means he doesn't want to be a part of his family.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, he didn't leave the family. He left his job as a working Royal.

The constant twisting of everything is absolutely laughable. They want more privacy than what is afforded to working Royals and so they can't appear in public or in front of a camera ever again. He moves abroad (as many people do) and suddenly it means he doesn't want to be a part of his family.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

A pretty appropriate summing up there Marsh.
I agree totally.

Your first 2 lines perfectly describe their situation too.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Anyone can pay their respects....Harry and Meghan are the ones who have the desire for privacy but drag along the media...when it suits them. Harry was upset he wasn’t invited to the Remembrance ceremony as part of the Royal family...the family he opted to leave for a more private life ....but he and Meghan chose to make a public display of them showing their respects so that it was plastered all over the media....it was deliberate and if you can’t see it it’s because you choose not to.

Agreed. It was blatantly deliberate imo.
It's absolutely laughable how some choose to forget that they said they were leaving the UK for 'privacy' - to go and live in the paparazzi capital of the world. They now put themselves out there every other day doing their endless zoom calls which are all talk and no action or causing some drama or other for attention. Privacy my ass! That would mean quietly getting jobs and actually working.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

Agreed. It was blatantly deliberate imo.
It's absolutely laughable how some choose to forget that they said they were leaving the UK for 'privacy' - to go and live in the paparazzi capital of the world. They now put themselves out there every other day doing their endless zoom calls which are all talk and no action or causing some drama or other for attention. Privacy my ass! That would mean quietly getting jobs and actually working.

Absolutely.....and meanwhile in the real world

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Its not OTT though....its just opinion.

There is no toxic abuse or hatred....people really need to get a grip with the dramatics...its laughable.

...and by the way I only used the toxic word as a response to the post..

I'm not meaning to have a go at you Rusticgal, but if so many people that don't dislike Meghan are seeing the Meghan detractors as "OTT" and "toxic" that there might be a case of it being true as so many people can't be getting it wrong?

In your defence I haven't noticed you say anything particularly bad about Meghan, but I have definitely seen unhealthy amount of hatred towards Meghan on the Forum and on Social Media.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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