[Oliver_W]

[arista]

From a 2017 page
on Carol Protesting
Big Brother section.
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...d.php?t=290495

[Crimson Dynamo]

Typical hard left labour nutjob

They will never run this country

Awful

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Typical hard left labour nutjob

They will never run this country

Awful

A good pick for 2007 Big Brother

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Starmer is Live
On GMBHD itv


He is in the Westminster studio.



His Last Comment
was he would like a female Bond 007
he does not have a favourite.

[Cherie]

Carol is on LBC now

[joeysteele]

I can't warm to him myself.
However, I do get that for 2 elections we put forward policies, (which yes, Brexit a big issue), were rejected.
As was the Miliband policies in 2015.

So I do support his cautious approach to offer policies which resonate with voters but also sound credible to do.
In whatever circumstances the UK is in when the next election is fought.

To win outright, to me seems a pipedream.
Labour needs to be close to or over 10% ahead to gain overall majority status.

To be in government however an overall majority doesn't need to be achieved.
Labour can easily with the right policies and ones which are also attractive to other opposition parties.
Labour can take away the Cons overall majority, it is even likely Labour can get to be the largest party.

However the best it can hope for is to be a minority government with the support of a strong grouping like the SNP.
Who thankfully would always ensure the Cons were out too.
Even moreso after the incompetence of this Con government.

Or a full coalition with possibly the SNP.
Which for me would be no bad thing either.

I haven't liked a Prime Minister in my 29 years of life.
So I can tolerate Starmer too.
However I liked his vision, I liked his caution and I liked the things he listed as potential firmer policies once we know when the next election will be.

The road he's going on it seems, is not far enough for me but it's a start.
I'm disappointed the nationalisation policies of Corbyn are in doubt.
However there are other avenues than full blown nationalisation.

I wasn't born in the 80s but looking back, listening to much older people than myself.
The view I've come to is privatisation was one of the biggest cons ever in politics.

It has led only to ever rising bills and still lack of investment.
So my position would be to re- nationalise.
However again, it is an issue that could still feature in the next election or elections after.

So overall, I think he did well, I like the personal account of his life which brought him to politics and shaped his political thinking.

Whenever the next election comes, 2023 or 2024.
It's essential he presents to voters, new hope, with a programme which will do enough to take Labour to be the largest party or substantially take the Cons to a position where they cannot govern by removing not only their overall majority but many more seats too, to make it even with the Lib Dems and DUP, they can't get the numbers to govern with an overall majority.

That can be done.
That can be actually, more likely than not achievable.

[bots]

the tories don't go into any great detail on policies at the last few elections. They concentrate on a couple of key issues and hammer them home. Thats what labour should do as well. The more detail they publish, the more ammo everyone else has. If I remember correctly, it took labour weeks to produce the last manifesto and it was published in about 43 volumes

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the tories don't go into any great detail on policies at the last few elections. They concentrate on a couple of key issues and hammer them home. Thats what labour should do as well. The more detail they publish, the more ammo everyone else has. If I remember correctly, it took labour weeks to produce the last manifesto and it was published in about 43 volumes

They should just take a page from the Tory playbook and straight up lie. Promise people the world, get their vote, they'll have forgotten all about it by the time you fail to provide it and then you just promise some more imaginary stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They should just take a page from the Tory playbook and straight up lie. Promise people the world, get their vote, they'll have forgotten all about it by the time you fail to provide it and then you just promise some more imaginary stuff.

they have already done that with what they have said as they wont win the next election so really they should have gone full Trumpion and said they would tax Amazon 99%, re-open the coal mines and then shut them all down again to save the climate

plus deport all white middle-aged people in Kent and replace them with refugees

also free Wispa bars for every hate crime reported

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

plus deport all white middle-aged people in Kent and replace them with refugees

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they have already done that with what they have said as they wont win the next election so really they should have gone full Trumpion and said they would tax Amazon 99%, re-open the coal mines and then shut them all down again to save the climate

plus deport all white middle-aged people in Kent and replace them with refugees

also free Wispa bars for every hate crime reported

Well no anything they promise before getting into power doesn't become a lie until they do get in and fail to deliver, because the premise of anthing said is "if/when we get into power we will..."

Like for example...

LT, I promise that if I ever win the lottery, I will paypal you £10,000.


Now realistically if I did win the lottery you'd be lucky if I'd lend you a tenner, but the above doesn't become a LIE until I win it and refuse to give you the £10,000.

And I don't even play the lottery so the likelihood of any of it happening is basically zero.

Which is really carte blanche to make as many promises as desired without having to worry about those promises becoming lies.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the tories don't go into any great detail on policies at the last few elections. They concentrate on a couple of key issues and hammer them home. Thats what labour should do as well. The more detail they publish, the more ammo everyone else has. If I remember correctly, it took labour weeks to produce the last manifesto and it was published in about 43 volumes

I agree, and I think quoting a mantra does work.

He has 2 things he could fire out continuously now before any election.
Which he more or less said in his speech yesterday.

' Really changing lives not slogans'

Plus when he stated.
' To really make Brexit work '.

Both represent a moving on, a positive move

Of course for me, IF he really wants to win the next election, and not have to have nonsense from the Lib Dems of them not working with either main party again.

Adopt PR.
Appeal to those who don't vote, it's around a quarter of voters who in the main feel it's pointless because their votes are wasted.

All other opposition parties support PR.
Crikey even the DUP.

If he really wants to be a party of government in and of the future, then adopt PR as policy.
Ever growing numbers of Labour members want it, even John McDonnell of Labour, would support it.

It's been overdue for decades.
Forms of it are used in Holyrood elections, the Welsh assembly, N Ireland, Mayoral elections and police and crime commissioner elections.

Just bring local and general elections now in line with all that too.

Really make ALL votes count as to government not just some votes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are Labour not banging the PR drum?

[joeysteele]

Watching the Politics Live programme today.
Although I disagreed totally with leaving the EU as to UKIP.

Listening to Richard Tice on the programme today from the Reform Party, he was talking far more sense than most from the Con Party.