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InOne · 05-12-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lili

That's actually not opinion though. It's fact. I've read books pertaining to that era and they state that the major labels were more willing to take a chance on signing non-mainstream bands because of the unexpected success of Nirvana.

Yeah, but even if they did do that, do you think they would be that popular if Kurt hadn't had a 'tragic rock star death'? Then they might not have been overrated, but now i'd say they deffo are.

lily. · 05-12-2009, 10:40 PM

No, if Kurt hadn't [allegedly] killed himself, they wouldn't have been as famous. That's a fact. But they were instrumental in changing the music scene at that time.

InOne · 05-12-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl.

i liked their old stuff like dookie and internation superhits and even american idiot was a pretty good album even though it gets alot of stick
but my god..their newest album is just terrible..21 guns and know your enemy have got to be the most annoying songs ever
and yet theyve gotten more fans for (in my opionion) their **** stuff then theyve gotten fans from their older better stuff

Well Ameican Idiot was when they had their big thing over here, if you know what I mean. I think that East Jesus Nowhere is a really good song. But I saw them live recently and they were absolutely amazing, that is what counts.

InOne · 05-12-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lili

No, if Kurt hadn't [allegedly] killed himself, they wouldn't have been as famous. That's a fact. But they were instrumental in changing the music scene at that time.

You a conspiracy theorist? lol

Stu · 05-12-2009, 10:42 PM

To be fair I think you make a very valid point about Nirvana, Lili.

The new Green Day are abhorrent though. So whinny and obnoxious! And all the songs sound the exact same to me, just with the chords going in a different progression!

Iceman · 05-12-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lili

No, if Kurt hadn't [allegedly] killed himself, they wouldn't have been as famous. That's a fact. But they were instrumental in changing the music scene at that time.

I agree ive read a few books on it, I think he was killed sometimes then other times I look back and think hey hang on a minute this guy was clinically depressed and was overdosing left right and centre.......guess we'll never know???

lily. · 05-12-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl.

i liked their old stuff like dookie and internation superhits and even american idiot was a pretty good album even though it gets alot of stick
but my god..their newest album is just terrible..21 guns and know your enemy have got to be the most annoying songs ever
and yet theyve gotten more fans for (in my opionion) their **** stuff then theyve gotten fans from their older better stuff

Technically Dookie isn't "their old stuff". Dookie was their first major label album, but their old stuff would be the 2 albums they made on the independant labels prior to Dookie.

And International Superhits was released in 2001, so I definitely wouldn't class that as old... it's only 3 years prior to American Idiot.

American Idiot was the album which brought the new generation of fans in. Before AI, the fanbase was smaller.. mainly older people who were listening to them back in the day. The success of AI brought a whole new fanbase of people who weren't even born when Dookie came out.

21CB hasn't brought about many more fans to be honest. AI was the defining moment for the new generation of fans.

Iceman · 05-12-2009, 10:47 PM

I dont like the last 2 albums greenday released......I hated american idiot.....

lily. · 05-12-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

To be fair I think you make a very valid point about Nirvana, Lili.

The new Green Day are abhorrent though. So whinny and obnoxious! And all the songs sound the exact same to me, just with the chords going in a different progression!

I find it amusing that you think the 'new GD' are whiney.. BJA's vocal style was more whiney back in the Kerplunk! era than it is now. He's actually got a deeper tone to his voice now.

Unless you are referring to the content of the songs... in which case, I don't really get how people can complain that they don't sing about pot, girlfriends and masturbation. They're grown men now. They are all over 35, and all have children of their own, so it would be effing laughable for them to still sing about stuff like that.

Nowadays they sing about things that are important to them.. issues that matter to them, and maybe I get it and you don't because I'm the same age as them (roughly) so I've aged with them, and I'm now a 35 year old mother instead of a teenage pot-smoker who masturbates..

If you get what I mean..

InOne · 05-12-2009, 10:48 PM

But I think most would agree that Green Day are not overrated.

Stu · 05-12-2009, 10:49 PM

I would definately class anything pre American Idiot as the old stuff. It's not really about timespan. American Idiot was a new Green Day in a new direction.

Ramsay · 05-12-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

I would definately class anything pre American Idiot as the old stuff. It's not really about timespan. American Idiot was a new Green Day in a new direction.

Yeah this was what i ment too when i said 'old' green day

Stu · 05-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lili

I find it amusing that you think the 'new GD' are whiney.. BJA's vocal style was more whiney back in the Kerplunk! era than it is now. He's actually got a deeper tone to his voice now.

Unless you are referring to the content of the songs... in which case, I don't really get how people can complain that they don't sing about pot, girlfriends and masturbation. They're grown men now. They are all over 35, and all have children of their own, so it would be effing laughable for them to still sing about stuff like that.

Nowadays they sing about things that are important to them.. issues that matter to them, and maybe I get it and you don't because I'm the same age as them (roughly) so I've aged with them, and I'm now a 35 year old mother instead of a teenage pot-smoker who masturbates..

If you get what I mean..

It's his voice in general. I don't like it when it's applied to these newer songs. He just annoys me if I am being perfectley honest. It's nothing to do with my age or your age. I realise the band had to move on. They did and well ... I think they suck. I think people give them far too much credit. Nothing special IMO.

Iceman · 05-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lili

pot-smoker who masturbates..

eh then what the **** were you smoking and doing on the phone the other night???? this cuts me deep and hard

lily. · 05-12-2009, 10:52 PM

That's fair enough. It's your opinion. They have changed, as a band. They have progressed. Their lyrical content is totally different, and I personally really like it.. I think the stuff they bring out is always good.

I dunno if you've ever checked out any of their side projects Stu.. but you may surprise yourself and like them..

InOne · 05-12-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

It's his voice in general. I don't like it when it's applied to these newer songs. He just annoys me if I am being perfectley honest. It's nothing to do with my age or your age. I realise the band had to move on. They did and well ... I think they suck. I think people give them far too much credit. Nothing special IMO.

Nah, they are absolutely fantastic live, considering their age, their stage presence is just immense, he is as good singer as he ever was and a great showman. They deserve all the credit they get.

lily. · 05-12-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Schumacher

eh then what the **** were you smoking and doing on the phone the other night???? this cuts me deep and hard

For the record, I wasn't smoking......

......... and that is all..

setanta · 05-12-2009, 10:55 PM

Can we stop talking about poxy Green Day and get to the point here please. Who are the most overrated band of all time then?

The Doors for me.

Ramsay · 05-12-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lili

That's fair enough. It's your opinion. They have changed, as a band. They have progressed. Their lyrical content is totally different, and I personally really like it.. I think the stuff they bring out is always good.

I dunno if you've ever checked out any of their side projects Stu.. but you may surprise yourself and like them..

Foxboro Hot Tubs - Mother Mary
great song

Novo · 05-12-2009, 10:56 PM

No messing around from the Old Gramps Setanta tonight

Stu · 05-12-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Nah, they are absolutely fantastic live, considering their age, their stage presence is just immense, he is as good singer as he ever was and a great showman. They deserve all the credit they get.

As matter of factly as you put things, given my opinion, I have to disagree with you.

People acted as if Green Day revolutionised the rock world with American Idiot. That somehow before that all music was just banging your head against a wall. In reality, there was hundreds of [better, IMO] bands out there who were always singing about political things, they just never broke the mainstream like Green Day did. Green Day don't particularly do anything sonically interesting at all at all in my book.

They aren't bad, I just don't think they are anything that special either. Age is irrelevant. AC/DC and the Stones still kick it up live and they are both far older bands than Green Day.

InOne · 05-12-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

As matter of factly as you put things, given my opinion, I have to disagree with you.

People acted as if Green Day revolutionised the rock world with American Idiot. That somehow before that all music was just banging your head against a wall. In reality, there was hundreds of [better, IMO] bands out there who were always singing about political things, they just never broke the mainstream like Green Day did. Green Day don't particularly do anything sonically interesting at all at all in my book.

They aren't bad, I just don't think they are anything that special either. Age is irrelevant. AC/DC and the Stones still kick it up live and they are both far older bands than Green Day.

Guess it just boils down to opinion, once again lol

But I agree with Setanta, lets get to business