[arista]

CJ is now on Police Bail.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...On_Police_Bail

[Pyramid*]

Snippet from the Telegraph:- ref Greg's (the boyfriend) statment.

Mr Reardon added: "Jo’s life was cut short tragically but the finger-pointing and character assassination by social and news media of as yet innocent men has been shameful.

"It has made me lose a lot of faith in the morality of the British Press and those that spend their time fixed to the internet in this modern age.

"I hope in the future, they will show a more sensitive and impartial view to those involved in such heartbreaking events and especially in the lead-up to potentially high-profile court cases."

Highly unsurpring that lowlife tabloids such as The Sun and DM, have also quoted Greg's statment - but omitted the above part. quelle surprise eh!

Suddenly the man is out on bail and the tone and wording used towards him in today's papers is immediately of a very different style - no mud slinging, no castigation etc - although the DM are still running with their origial headline of Prof Strange that appeared last night.

Either the media have had their knuckles wrapped or they may have realised that this man just might just hit them with a lawsuit.

Going on the premise that the boyfriend is not involved: I'd have thought that if he had the slightest doubt about the LL, if he had the smallest hint of him being involved, I'd be surprised that he would have raised the matter of the abyssmal 'trial by media' press coverage at all.

Sat reading the volumes of pages on DS re this: and a few have pointed out that this could mean:-

(a) no charge made as still awaiting forensic results & ongoing investigation but still could be number 1 suspect at the current time and has been given bail on condition until he is finally eliminated - possibly due to awaiting results on tests etc.

(b) he may have been charged with some smaller crime, totally unrelated - with the police using clever use of wording that he was released on bail makes it appear that the police still think he is connected to it - even if he is not - smoke and mirrors scenario going on.

Good point was raised on DS about the police appealing for people who may have even the smallest, apparently insignificant piece of info to please come forward. ....... After the way CJ has been castigated up till this point - anyone going near the police even with the smallest piece of info after the way this has been handled so far, would quite seriously, have to have to be insane.

Once upon a time years ago, the press were there to help police by reporting on such serious crimes, in getting the message out and appealing for help. Seems those days are long gone.

[mrscolumbo]

Apparently Mr Jefferies was released at 2300 gmt last night - presumably under the extension they got from the magistrates they could have legally kept Mr Jefferies in custody until 0700 am Tuesday - IMO he was let out early because they have absolutely nothing on him and can't be seen to waste further time with Mr Jefferies as a suspect whilst possibly the real culprit is still at large and before any leads go cold.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Apparently Mr Jefferies was released at 2300 gmt last night - presumably under the extension they got from the magistrates they could have legally kept Mr Jefferies in custody until 0700 am Tuesday - IMO he was let out early because they have absolutely nothing on him and can't be seen to waste further time with Mr Jefferies as a suspect whilst possibly the real culprit is still at large and before any leads go cold.

If they dont find any evidence on him which is worthy of prosecution they will just keep re bailing him every month or so for about 6 months until they eventually release him without charge or charge him.

My guess is that they havnt got a thing on him.

[Pyramid*]

Christ you really can't do much more than raise a wry smile at some utter piffle that's printed:- this also from the Telegraph.

However, another former pupil of Mr Jefferies, David Gawain, said: "He had a tendency of wanting to get his own way. If you had not done your prep or other things like learning poems, he used to shout at you.

I went to his flat with my English class once and he began shouting at us because we were not behaving ourselves."

Errr.. yes. The first is called good old fashioned teaching as far as not doing what you are told to do and being reprimanded for it. That's the way it works,that's life : some teachers have a more stringent manner than others.

The second is because you were in someone's home and misbehaving - and were reprimanded and spoken because you were misbehaving. .

The actions of CJ in both these instaces offer nothing more than him remonstrating to those of a younger generation who are showing no respect to a person in authority - and more so, when you are in that person's home and not behaving appropriately. It's called being disrespectful - but I'm sure you'll understand that concept a little more when you mature a little, and have your own home that you wish ohers to respect when they are invited into it.

A former head porter at the college, Gerry Hughes, said Mr Jefferies disliked being called by his first name. "It always had to be Mr Jefferies, at least with the non-teaching staff,"

If CJ wishes his correct formal title (Mr, rather than Chris) to be used - he has every right to do so. I personally loathe this culture of anyone and everyone, regardless of familiarity (or rather lack of), thinking it's quite fine to use Christian names to address others. There is a reason for formality, it's called good etiquette and good social manners.

[mrscolumbo]

Okay police prime 'suspect' released on bail - however a 'suspect still at large' but no danger to public according to statement from police this afternoon.

Now let us look at some statistics taken from UK Home Office:

murder of female by partner/spouse 67%
murder of female by relative 10%
murder of female by acquaintance 20%
murder of female by stranger 8%

location of murder

home 65%
street/footpath 25%
other 10%

Not casting any aspersions but I think the statistics speak for themselves.

[MTVN]

I was reading the Sunday Mirror today and they said how "obssessed" Chris Jefferies favourite poem was about a man who cut his wifes throat. Turned out it was Oscar Wilde's The Ballad of Reading Gaol, an incredibly iconic poem by one of the most acclaimed writers of recent times, and they make him out to be a monster for liking it

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Absolutely - and if I may be allowed to quote Mr Wilde on one of his most famous quotes whilst passing through a custom check point '....I have nothing to declare but my genious' and a literary genious the man was how can one not respect or like his work.

It would take a moran or homophobic to consider a piece of work by Oscar Wilde and relate it to murderous inclination of a scholar of english!

*Cough* Sense of humour is required before reading further!

Talking of murder. I think there may be more crime committed against the English language in your post above, than any that CJ may have been guilty of.


Sorry - me bad. It's not smart and it's not clever. This I know, but I couldn't resist, especially when one of Oscar Wilde's quotes was:-

A poet can survive everything but a misprint.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Absolutely - and if I may be allowed to quote Mr Wilde on one of his most famous quotes whilst passing through a custom check point '....I have nothing to declare but my genious' and a literary genious the man was how can one not respect or like his work.

It would take a moran or homophobic to consider a piece of work by Oscar Wilde and relate it to murderous inclination of a scholar of english!

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Quite Pyramid - that is why I put in the apology to Mr Wilde.

I'm quite certain you put the apology in because you omitted the word 'not' (see blue above) in your earlier post, as confirmed by your subsequent post below.

oops meant to say '...not like his work' - apologies Mr Wilde.

I was referring to your spelling, grammar and incorrect word usage. As I say, it was a light hearted 'poke' - given that you were showing such fervour for Oscar Wilde. It matters not a jot, I simply found it amusing. None of us are perfect!

[bmurphy71]

It's always struck me that her killer knew her. It wasnt a robbery and the killer must have known her routine very well. Strangulation is predominantly committed by men and is done to gain a sense of control. A very high proportion of strangulation victims know their killer. My initial response to the arrest of C.J. is that his eccentricities probably made him highly visable to the media and police, but I dont think he appears to fit the profile of her killer. I could be wrong of course!.

[Angus]

Also whoever killed Joanna must have known that her boyfriend was not there and must have called at the flat. There are no reports from the police of signs of a struggle in the flat as far as I'm aware. If she had gone out somewhere she would have taken her mobile, keys and coat etc surely? Therefore it has to have been a neighbour, friend or someone she knew well enough or felt comfortable enough to go off with impromptu, probably thinking she would only be gone a short time. The strangest thing is that she left her keys behind - maybe because the person she went off with has keys to her flat?

As far as I'm concerned the Landlord is still in the frame, and the fact he has been released on police bail clearly means they are not prepared at this stage to completely eliminate him. However, I hope they are also investigating her other neighbours, friends, relatives and acquaintances.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Also whoever killed Joanna must have known that her boyfriend was not there and must have called at the flat. There are no reports from the police of signs of a struggle in the flat as far as I'm aware. If she had gone out somewhere she would have taken her mobile, keys and coat etc surely? Therefore it has to have been a neighbour, friend or someone she knew well enough or felt comfortable enough to go off with impromptu, probably thinking she would only be gone a short time. The strangest thing is that she left her keys behind - maybe because the person she went off with has keys to her flat?

As far as I'm concerned the Landlord is still in the frame, and the fact he has been released on police bail clearly means they are not prepared at this stage to completely eliminate him. However, I hope they are also investigating her other neighbours, friends, relatives and acquaintances.

I did very much think the same thing but remember Angus58 though, the missing pizza box. The pizza was found but not the external packaging - **sorry... pizza missing too... she could have eaten it!!** - the local council bin collections were made on the Monday, the search didn't begin until the day after - so by the time the police got round to it, it was too late to determine if she may have 'left the house' to dispose of the box...... and that's where either abduction or death took place. That would explain why these items remained in the house - and that is the one thing that appears to be 'throwing' people.

It could be that she did nothing more than simply take the empty box out to the bin - and met her killer there. It could have been a prowler, an opportunist, or a sexual deviant who may have overheard her in the pub beforehand, saying that Greg was leaving for the weekend, and they decided to act upon this informaton.

It could have been someone of the same nature, passing by when Greg's car was being given a jump start and realised he was leaving his girlfriend alone that night. It could be a number of things.

Recall the party goer in another street who heard screams just around 9pm.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I did very much think the same thing but remember Angus58 though, the missing pizza box. The pizza was found but not the external packaging - and the local council bin collections were made on the Monday, the search didn't begin until the day after - so by the time the police got round to it, it was too late to determine if she may have 'left the house' to dispose of the box...... and that's where either abduction or death took place. That would explain why these items remained in the house - and that is the one thing that appears to be 'throwing' people.

It could be that she did nothing more than simply take the empty box out to the bin - and met her killer there. It could have been a prowler, an opportunist, or a sexual deviant who may have overheard her in the pub beforehand, saying that Greg was leaving for the weekend, and they decided to act upon this informaton.

It could have been someone of the same nature, passing by when Greg's car was being given a jump start and realised he was leaving his girlfriend alone that night. It could be a number of things.

Recall the party goer in another street who heard screams just around 9pm.

I agree with all of the above and I also have another outside theory that she was followed home and attacked before she got home, and that the killer let himself into her flat with her belongings to create the "Mary Celeste" effect her boyfriend found that suggested she had been at home. Motive? To divert attention towards it being someone she knew. The killer could have found messages on her mobile indicating her boyfriend was away. It will be interesting to find out whether the police have found any unexplained dna evidence at her flat. We have still not been told whether she was sexually assaulted, or if any of her possession are missing.

As for the missing pizza box, I find it doubtful that she would bother to leave her flat to dispose of a single pizza box, since most people do have kitchen bins, and even if she had, i can't see her leaving her door open so she would have taken her keys.

All in all, the case is intriguing and I hope, for the sake of her parents they do find the killer, because if it were me, it would be a living hell to know that the person who killed my child had got away with it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

I agree with all of the above and I also have another outside theory that she was followed home and attacked before she got home, and that the killer let himself into her flat with her belongings to create the "Mary Celeste" effect her boyfriend found that suggested she had been at home. Motive? To divert attention towards it being someone she knew. The killer could have found messages on her mobile indicating her boyfriend was away. It will be interesting to find out whether the police have found any unexplained dna evidence at her flat. We have still not been told whether she was sexually assaulted, or if any of her possession are missing.

As for the missing pizza box, I find it doubtful that she would bother to leave her flat to dispose of a single pizza box, since most people do have kitchen bins, and even if she had, i can't see her leaving her door open so she would have taken her keys.

All in all, the case is intriguing and I hope, for the sake of her parents they do find the killer, because if it were me, it would be a living hell to know that the person who killed my child had got away with it.

The bin I have in my kitchen is only a small one - too small to hold a pizza box unless I ripped it into little pieces which would take far longer than me popping out and throwing it in the wheelie bin. I personally, nip out and chuck any large packaging like that straight into the bin - and I know many of my friends tend to do the same.

Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house.

I'm not entirely sure about the killer looking through her phone to determine the boyfriend was away: at that stage, he'd already have been aware she was alone if he had access to her flat / her phone? If she was attacked before she got home, that doesn't explain the missing pizza *though I have to say: I think that's been nothing more than her having chucked it/and /or the wrapping in the bin, which was subsequently emptied.

It doesn't explain that possible sighting of her by CJ that evening. It doesn't explain the 'screams' (that may or may not have been Joanna) coming from the area her flat was in at 9pm that Friday evening.

I do agree it's intriguing. I'm not entirely convinced that it's a 'serial' killer either. I think it could something far less sinster - that all went very wrong. I don't think the killer went out to kill.... I think the intention has been far less than to kill, but something went wrong with whatever their intention was.

It is as you say - intriguing. Ghoulish I know, but intriguing.

[InOne]

Reminds me of another case I saw a doc about, some girl went missing on new years eve. Went to go look after some puppies or something, didn't make it there.Turned out to be some guy who lived pretty near. They did a search of all the houses in the neighbourhood. They found her in is closet They instantly knew something was up when he couldn't find the key

[arista]

Do you think CJ
should be removed from your heading.


He is just a old perv.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

Do you think CJ
should be removed from your heading.


He is just a old perv.

What precisely in your mind, makes him a 'perv' Arista? On what basis are you judging him to allow you to suggest he is a pervert?

[InOne]

When some more solid news comes up, nothing much else has happened yet

[Pyramid*]

Good to see the reporting slant on the newspapers front has ceased to label this man a pervert, having obsessions of death etc and that the witch hunt of an (as yet) innocent man appears to have ceased as far as papers are concerned.

Also good to see that the Guardian are reporting that CJ's lawyers have been in contact with at least one newspaper regarding their reporting of the matter.

Quotes from his aunt suggest tha he is looking to take legal action. Quite bloody right too.

Police and Yeates's boyfriend have expressed concern at some of the reporting of the case, particularly of the way Jefferies has been portrayed in mainstream media and on social networking websites.

Reardon said the "finger-pointing and character assassination" had been "shameful" and called for greater sensitivity. Last week the attorney general, Dominic Grieve, warned the media to be mindful of contempt of court laws.

It is understood that a lawyer for Jefferies has written to at least one newspaper criticising its reporting of the case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...safety-warning

The Sun quotes CJ's aunt.

His aunt Barbara Jefferies, 79, said: "Chris is fine now, but there's been enough damage done." Mrs Jefferies, of Wilmslow, Cheshire, added: "You will be hearing much more about this."

The bachelor is being represented by the Stokoe Partnership, a legal team with offices in London and Manchester.
A spokesman insisted his name had been "blackened".

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...lear-name.html

[mrscolumbo]

Read on a blog that bf was still at the apartment trying to get his car started at 1900pm on the night of 17th.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Read on a blog that bf was still at the apartment trying to get his car started at 1900pm on the night of 17th.

No offence but that's been pretty much common knowledge since very early days.

[mrscolumbo]

Oh I am a bit behind the times thanks you for pointing it out Pyramid - no offence taken.

[mrscolumbo]

If the reports of bf still being in Bristol at or around 1945 hrs then there is an opportunity link.

[Angus]

Originally posted by mrscolumbo

"Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house."

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

If the BF was still in the area so late that evening, that doesn't let him off the hook either.
"

[Angus]

Originally posted by Pyramid

"Why on earth would anyone take their keys / not leave their door oen when nipping out to put something in a bin? I don't, and I know none of my friends who would take keys, lock doors etc. We all literally open the door, leave door open, go out to bin a few steps away from door, dispose of item then come back into the house."

I live on the third floor of a block of flats and if I wanted to put anything in the bin I certainly wouldn't leave my front door open or unlocked while I was going down to ground level. I always close the door and take my keys.

As regards my outside theory - it is purely that and not one I have much faith in because it would require a fair few ifs and buts and suspensions of belief in terms of how an opportunist killer might behave. I still think that the killer is someone that Joanna knew fairly well.

Hello this is not my posting![/QUOTE]

Lol, sorry, have amended the quote now.