[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm deluded?....
You are an 18yr old MAN, get your own internet connection opt out and wank away if you are so bothered

How do you propose he "gets his own internet connection"?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My heart bleeds....

My heart bleeds for all the poor little children that may have seen Brooklyn being pounded in the front and back all because their ignorant parents haven't taken it upon themselves to make sure that they're monitoring their children's internet usage and have made a sufficient effort to use all the available existing filters

[Kizzy]

Yes there is money to be made ladies, do you have an addiction? live in a developing country? Do you or your family owe a debt?......

[Ryan57]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes there is money to be made ladies, do you have an addiction? live in a developing country? Do you or your family owe a debt?......

Sometimes it's just to make a ton of cash, then exit the industry.

Other times it can be like you say, addiction, or the unfortunate effects of abuse when they were children making them see themselves as good for just one thing.

I don't think women in porn need to be reduced to anything these days. They are powerful business women. It's just that their talents don't lie in manufacturing or business, they rely on their ability to be airtight at a moments notice.

I'm really struggling with this 1940's view of the inability of women to make decisions about their own sex lives/career for any reason that isn't about either paying a man for drugs, being ruled by a man, or men don't think they're worth anything more.

If fit women love having sex and are willing to do it on camera, then men are the victims for paying for it. I implore anyone to go and watch a stoya video and then claim she is not in control of her own career.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't think women in porn need to be reduced to anything these days. They are powerful business women. It's just that their talents don't lie in manufacturing or business, they rely on their ability to be airtight at a moments notice.

I'm really struggling with this 1940's view of the inability of women to make decisions about their own sex lives/career for any reason that isn't about either paying a man for drugs, being ruled by a man, or men don't think they're worth anything more.

If fit women love having sex and are willing to do it on camera, then men are the victims for paying for it. I implore anyone to go and watch a stoya video and then claim she is not in control of her own career.

Exactly. Women don't do porn because they're forced to, it's because they want to.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Exactly. Women don't do porn because they're forced to, it's because they want to.

Are you 100% certain of that?

[Kizzy]

Maybe the tories want to privatise porn?
You can make everyone homeless, force up the price of food, allow the utilities to make billions while we freeze.... but if they dare stop the porn!!!!!!....

[Marc]

Kids will still find ways of seeing porn. Nothing will change.

[Z]

The opt out clause is akin to asking someone their sexual preference on the census (which they don't do) - people are not going to be honest for a whole variety of reasons that don't include "because I'm a deviant".

[Shaun]

Oh well. I'm sure it'll be about as successful as this war on illegal downloading

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i just think this entire thing is pointless

maybe i am being naive here but i think kids only become interested in this sort of thing once puberty starts (so around 12/13) and i doubt younger kids would go looking for porn or come across it by mistake

i just cant imagine an 8 year old girl using bing to search for hardcore anal fisting videos

and i think its actually healthy for older kids/teens to watch porn because its a completely normal thing to do

i actually think could have a detrimental effect and loads of kids will turn out like norman bates bc of this and end up murdering prostitutes and using their skin to make a cape or s/t

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Scott

i just think this entire thing is pointless

maybe i am being naive here but i think kids only become interested in this sort of thing once puberty starts (so around 12/13) and i doubt younger kids would go looking for porn or come across it by mistake

i just cant imagine an 8 year old girl using bing to search for hardcore anal fisting videos

and i think its actually healthy for older kids/teens to watch porn because its a completely normal thing to do

i actually think could have a detrimental effect and loads of kids will turn out like norman bates bc of this and end up murdering prostitutes and using their skin to make a cape or s/t

I agree with you to a certain extent.. And as long as it isn't violent or degrading porn, I suppose an interest in it is healthy as a teenager

My daughter is 9 and although she doesn't search for pirn, she is at an age where she is curious about body parts etc.. She laughs hysterically every time she sees a naked bum.. Even a baby's bum on an advert will have her cackling away.. Now, she did a google search on "naked butts".. The results for such a search are not as innocent as she expected!

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I agree with you to a certain extent.. And as long as it isn't violent or degrading porn, I suppose an interest in it is healthy as a teenager

My daughter is 9 and although she doesn't search for pirn, she is at an age where she is curious about body parts etc.. She laughs hysterically every time she sees a naked bum.. Even a baby's bum on an advert will have her cackling away.. Now, she did a google search on "naked butts".. The results for such a search are not as innocent as she expected!

I just did a search with Google Safesearch on, and there's nothing too explicit there.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I just did a search with Google Safesearch on, and there's nothing too explicit there.

My daughter is 9. She's not stupid. She knows how to switch safe search off

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

My daughter is 9. She's not stupid. She knows how to switch safe search off

Make sure she doesn't then. The fact that YOUR child is coming across she shouldn't be is YOUR fault. It's not mine, nor is it anyone else's.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

My daughter is 9. She's not stupid. She knows how to switch safe search off

Its there for a reason, and how does she know how to switch it off? and why would she switch it off?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I agree with you to a certain extent.. And as long as it isn't violent or degrading porn, I suppose an interest in it is healthy as a teenager

My daughter is 9 and although she doesn't search for pirn, she is at an age where she is curious about body parts etc.. She laughs hysterically every time she sees a naked bum.. Even a baby's bum on an advert will have her cackling away.. Now, she did a google search on "naked butts".. The results for such a search are not as innocent as she expected!

that's your fault. of course children are going to laugh when a bum comes on the tv, it's an aspect of immaturity that children go through.

and the fact she was able to search naked butts on the internet is your fault. she was unsupervised and you clearly don't have a proper filtering software on your computer.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

that's your fault. of course children are going to laugh when a bum comes on the tv, it's an aspect of immaturity that children go through.

and the fact she was able to search naked butts on the internet is your fault. she was unsupervised and you clearly don't have a proper filtering software on your computer.

It wasn't on my computer it was on her iPod.. And I did install a child safe web browser and changed all her settings to a safe level. She uninstalled the safe browser and reinstalled safari.
Kids are very computer literate nowadays.. And I can check what she's searching for on her own devices, but Internet access isn't just restricted to home anymore.. They have Internet at school, in the library, on their phones, on their tablets, iPods, games consoles, grandmas house, their friends houses...

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Lee.

It wasn't on my computer it was on her iPod.. And I did install a child safe web browser and changed all her settings to a safe level. She uninstalled the safe browser and reinstalled safari.
Kids are very computer literate nowadays.. And I can check what she's searching for on her own devices, but Internet access isn't just restricted to home anymore.. They have Internet at school, in the library, on their phones, on their tablets, iPods, games consoles, grandmas house, their friends houses...

She's 9, why does she have an iPod?

This is bull****. Your 9 year old daughter in no way would know how to re-install Safari onto an iPod as well as unblocking all of the safe settings.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

It wasn't on my computer it was on her iPod.. And I did install a child safe web browser and changed all her settings to a safe level. She uninstalled the safe browser and reinstalled safari.
Kids are very computer literate nowadays.. And I can check what she's searching for on her own devices, but Internet access isn't just restricted to home anymore.. They have Internet at school, in the library, on their phones, on their tablets, iPods, games consoles, grandmas house, their friends houses...

I'm only saying this 'cause of the whole debate this has caused but if we're talking about stopping kids from seeing things they shouldn't be seeing - then kids shouldn't have devices they can use to access the internet without parental consent. It's as simple as that. And also not allow them to go outside in case they come across Page 3 or someone kidnaps them and sells them into prostitution or they get cooties off a boy, but of course we don't do that because we're not insane - sex is a part of life because sex is how life is created. Children are growing up too fast nowadays in comparison to how life was 100, 50, 20 years ago; but don't you remember being a teenager and doing things that your parents wouldn't have approved of? Yet you've turned out as a perfectly functioning adult who is happy and successful and has gone on to have kids of your own and now suddenly here we are speaking on behalf of children, as all adults in history have done to children who have come along after them. Kids are embarrassed by sex because it's new to them. Being able to watch porn is the one outlet where they can learn things without having to ask awkward questions and they can joke about it with their friends. I just can't believe this is even seriously being considered as a thing.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yes, because parents are thinking about their kids and childless people's lives are solely their own, they don't have to take responsibility for other people, so of course their views are different on this. That's part of growing up, coming into contact with sex and sexual images. Should we ban rom coms for promoting the idea that sex and love are intricately linked? Sex scenes in films are a no go; are we going to revert to a time when it was shocking to show Fred and Wilma Flintstone in bed together? I mean really - that is exactly what this proposal is promoting. An opt in would be fine if it was a personal choice offered to every individual person - but it isn't; it's an ISP measure and the person paying the internet bill will be the one to decide. Anyone over the age of 18, i.e. a legal adult wishing to view legal activity, is either having to pay for a separate porn connection (and how ridiculous is that?) or having to go along with a chastity ban. Are we living in the 19th century?

As Kizzy has already pointed out men (and women) were perfectly able to view porn long before the internet was invented. My goodness talk about how spoilt this generation is.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As Kizzy has already pointed out men (and women) were perfectly able to view porn long before the internet was invented. My goodness talk about how spoilt this generation is.

Porn magazines have been around for decades, long before the internet.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Porn magazines have been around for decades, long before the internet.

Yeah and you had to be 18 to buy one.. Which is my whole point

[Z]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As Kizzy has already pointed out men (and women) were perfectly able to view porn long before the internet was invented. My goodness talk about how spoilt this generation is.

Spoilt? I'm spoilt because I think the government being able to censor what I can and can't view is wrong? Well if it wasn't a big deal for all that time, why should it be now? What a ridiculous statement to make Cherie.