[Jemal]

I missed the reason why the door slammed shut. Was it because of the window being opened from the person escaping?

[Jemal]

Im i the only who thinks the father has a little bit of a smirk on his face when talking about Madeline?

[Vicky.]

I'm having a hard time even beginning to think about the botched burglary, nothing taken. no disturbance, kill child accidentally, carry child round block theory tbh

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm having a hard time even beginning to think about the botched burglary, nothing taken. no disturbance, kill child accidentally, carry child round block theory tbh

Well my line of thinking is that the first room they go into is the bedroom that the kids are in and a sleepy Madeleine immediately wakes up, perhaps thinking it's her parents, they get a scare and cover her mouth and panic about what to do and accidentally smother her to death. They panic even further and bolt out of the window, thinking that the McCanns are next door and it's better to hide the evidence (her body) than to leave it there, but once they get outside they realise that running around carrying a little dead girl looks more suspicious than walking calmly as if she's asleep, so they go their separate ways (or it's one man acting alone) and one of them carries the body down to the beach or another location to get rid of the body. Maybe they take her out to sea and dump her there or maybe somewhere on land.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Well my line of thinking is that the first room they go into is the bedroom that the kids are in and a sleepy Madeleine immediately wakes up, perhaps thinking it's her parents, they get a scare and cover her mouth and panic about what to do and accidentally smother her to death. They panic even further and bolt out of the window, thinking that the McCanns are next door and it's better to hide the evidence (her body) than to leave it there, but once they get outside they realise that running around carrying a little dead girl looks more suspicious than walking calmly as if she's asleep, so they go their separate ways (or it's one man acting alone) and one of them carries the body down to the beach or another location to get rid of the body. Maybe they take her out to sea and dump her there or maybe somewhere on land.

Right lets go with this..is it not usual when planning a burglary to have a kind of..getaway car? Or some way of getting away without people noticing you walking down the road with a load of laptops and jewelry and such?

I just cannot see burglars deciding to take the body of a girl they somehow killed accidentally. At all.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Right lets go with this..is it not usual when planning a burglary to have a kind of..getaway car? Or some way of getting away without people noticing you walking down the road with a load of laptops and jewelry and such?

I just cannot see burglars deciding to take the body of a girl they somehow killed accidentally. At all.

Not if you're living in Praia da Luz that relies heavily on tourism and no other form of income, I would imagine that it's quite a poor place (I have no evidence to back this up, could be completely wrong), having a car isn't all that likely if you're poor, plus it's a small place, you might have no need for one, especially if you're just an opportunistic burglar.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

Not if you're living in Praia da Luz that relies heavily on tourism and no other form of income, I would imagine that it's quite a poor place (I have no evidence to back this up, could be completely wrong), having a car isn't all that likely if you're poor, plus it's a small place, you might have no need for one, especially if you're just an opportunistic burglar.

Ive been to Portugal and the place it happened, its is not a third world country with a bumbling police force as some would have you believe

[chuff me dizzy]

As some of you will know I have been on Maddie groups for over 6 years now ,I take an active rol on following up all thing Maddie related ,we are not the evil troll McCanns try to claim we are ,they hate us as we tweet FACTS of the case, facts they want buried ,including this from 2007 ,despite what Deadwood said the Smith sighting is NOT a new breakthrough ,the Smiths gave their statements in 2007 ,but what Deadwood failed to add was the fact the Smiths said the person carrying Maddie was gerry McCann http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

[Marsh.]

Thanks for the links everyone.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah yes, the Paynes, who were practically written out of the reconstruction yesterday.

Very disturbing. As someone, I think Josy, says it's likely we'll never know the true events of that night. So many threads, dead ends, variables. Highly confusing case.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As some of you will know I have been on Maddie groups for over 6 years now ,I take an active rol on following up all thing Maddie related ,we are not the evil troll McCanns try to claim we are ,they hate us as we tweet FACTS of the case, facts they want buried ,including this from 2007 ,despite what Deadwood said the Smith sighting is NOT a new breakthrough ,the Smiths gave their statements in 2007 ,but what Deadwood failed to add was the fact the Smiths said the person carrying Maddie was gerry McCann http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

And the reason they would want the case to be so high profile and keep the search going is because?

For kicks?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Thanks for the links everyone.



Very disturbing. As someone, I think Josy, says it's likely we'll never know the true events of that night. So many threads, dead ends, variables. Highly confusing case.



And the reason they would want the case to be so high profile and keep the search going is because?

For kicks?

Oh dear another "hook line sinker victim " in 2007 when McCanns screamed "abduction"they started a snowball rolling which Im sure they thought would have stopped by now, how wrong they were ,They failed to realise this is the age of the internet, things cannot get brushed under the carpet like it did in the good old days the only thing that can stop it now is the thing they dread the most ,the TRUTH please dont comments on things you know nothing about

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As some of you will know I have been on Maddie groups for over 6 years now ,I take an active rol on following up all thing Maddie related ,we are not the evil troll McCanns try to claim we are ,they hate us as we tweet FACTS of the case, facts they want buried ,including this from 2007 ,despite what Deadwood said the Smith sighting is NOT a new breakthrough ,the Smiths gave their statements in 2007 ,but what Deadwood failed to add was the fact the Smiths said the person carrying Maddie was gerry McCann http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

What if you're wrong, chuff?

[chuff me dizzy]

See Eddie ,Keela in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHJjpXii9o

[Kazanne]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

this is interesting too.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id236.html

this is interesting too.

Ah yes, the Paynes, who were practically written out of the reconstruction yesterday.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah yes, the Paynes, who were practically written out of the reconstruction yesterday.

The 2 Police dogs ,favoured by the FBI who found Maddies cadaver in 5A,Hire car, Cuddlecat, car keys and most haunting Kate McCanns clothing didnt get a mention either ?

[MTVN]

Agree Zee, I think you have nailed it

[Jemal]

Everytime i watch Gerry Mccan talking about her, i see a slight smirk on his face...
Plus he looks like those e-fits. I mean this guy has to be the one...
BUT thing is... Friends of the parents have said Gerry never left the tapas resturant apart from once.,, and as we know Madeline was sleeping at that time... So i dunno... Im fifty fifty.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jemal

Everytime i watch Gerry Mccan talking about her, i see a slight smirk on his face...
Plus he looks like those e-fits. I mean this guy has to be the one...
BUT thing is... Friends of the parents have said Gerry never left the tapas resturant apart from once.,, and as we know Madeline was sleeping at that time... So i dunno... Im fifty fifty.

I thought that he sounded very rehearsed and robotic in his interview from last night.

But I don't know whether that's because he's had to recount the story so many times.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

I thought that he sounded very rehearsed and robotic in his interview from last night.

But I don't know whether that's because he's had to recount the story so many times.

Well they're very likely to have prepared before a live TV interview, only natural.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Braden

I thought that he sounded very rehearsed and robotic in his interview from last night.

But I don't know whether that's because he's had to recount the story so many times.

We have had a body language expert on one of our groups a couple of years ago and he was baffled how they still walk free, IF I was an optimist ( which Im not) I would hope that Scotland Yard had spent a few Łs of the Ł6m (Ł6m while pensioners will stand in food banks lines to eat this winter) they have thrown at Mcs into hiring one to watch the show as they have trapped others this way (Tracey Andrews for one) but these are the Golden McCanns so Im not building my hopes up

[AnnieK]

The simple facts are there is no way anyone can know the truth for certain until either a body is found with concrete evidence of who killed her, or Maddie turns up or a confession is made. Everything else surely is circumstantial and speculative surely?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by anniek76

The simple facts are there is no way anyone can know the truth for certain until either a body is found with concrete evidence of who killed her, or Maddie turns up or a confession is made. Everything else surely is circumstantial and speculative surely?

Yes, of course. It's just a feeling i've always had on this case. There's something not quite right.

[the truth]

they actually admitted theyd left the kids like that abroad for years....social services should have been involved years ago

[the truth]

was the door open? was the window open? the show was rubbish it didn't even clarify these simple facts

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by the truth

was the door open? was the window open? the show was rubbish it didn't even clarify these simple facts

The patio doors were left open weren't they?