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Crimson Dynamo · 10-10-2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You peeked at my spoiler.

wooo get you and your avatar and now spoilers

Ashley. · 10-10-2015, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You peeked at my spoiler.

matron

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

wooo get you and your avatar and now spoilers

I credit YOU for the lovely avatar, and Liv and Ammi for educating me on the other 'techno' stuff.

Livia · 10-10-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if that were indeed true and i think its anecdotal at best it means nothing

indeed its more likely to do with pain

That's an astonishing diagnosis from a different continent four years later.

It meant a lot to me, especially at the time. You don't have to agree... I just wonder why you're so vociferously opposed to the notion when it doesn't affect you and there is no proof either way. I believe one thing, you believe another and you're no more likely to dissuade me of what I believe than I am to dissuade you. Stale mate. Mate.

Kizzy · 10-10-2015, 01:17 PM

I've heard the 'it's the pain relief' argument in relation to those terminally ill in their final moments rallying. It happened to my father and it was unnerving but gave us time to say goodbye,the serenity that swept across his face, the essence we felt at that moment and for several hours after wasn't due to any medication he or indeed we had taken, it was truly inexplicable... I like logic as much as the next person but unless you'd experienced that situation first hand it's impossible to attempt to rationalise the events.

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Ok in my first life after walking the dogs for several years and chatting to Athiests in the park i died whilst trying to pick up dog poo and went straight to hell for missing the bin i tried too throw it in but i blamed my first death on all the womanizing i did to those female Athiests in the woods trying too convert them. Thankfully i enjoy hot resorts so i had a great time down there in hell and was disappointed to leave until i was reborn and sent back up to earth. Once reborn and after lengthy chats to my alien friends i then followed my new parents beliefs. I then became a true muslim to the core. Then after i blew myself up and after raveshing 57 virgins i was then reborn as Santa Claus. Then i dropped a few presents off here and there for a while for the kids but then got caught with some randy woman by her husband on xmas eve under the tree after one too many hognogs. 43 knife wounds later i was then reborn as Mr Blobby. It was a short life but i did have a lot of fun talking gibberish on saturday night tv and falling on people just for laughs! I have recently died once again and when i do come back i am hoping that this time i come back as the Eurovision Entry for the UK and hope to win the show to restore faith in the great british public.

My old mate Johnny on the LSD again.

Crimson Dynamo · 10-10-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

That's an astonishing diagnosis from a different continent four years later.

It meant a lot to me, especially at the time. You don't have to agree... I just wonder why you're so vociferously opposed to the notion when it doesn't affect you and there is no proof either way. I believe one thing, you believe another and you're no more likely to dissuade me of what I believe than I am to dissuade you. Stale mate. Mate.

not really, he is supposed to have said something and it means nothing, its not evidence for anything.

if you wish to concoct a story to go with it that is great and if it helps you fantastic but its not what I am saying or arguing about

Its not either or, either.

50,000 people die every day and their last words are myriad.

Its like cold reading, you just ignore them all until one fits with the view you wish to have

But it means nothing and is evidence for nothing - its just that we allegedly heard about this as he is famous. That day 5000 people could have said "oh sh1t there is nothing but black..." or "oh no this is it there is nothing ahead but non existence" but we did not hear about that.

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've heard the 'it's the pain relief' argument in relation to those terminally ill in their final moments rallying. It happened to my father and it was unnerving but gave us time to say goodbye,the serenity that swept across his face, the essence we felt at that moment and for several hours after wasn't due to any medication he or indeed we had taken, it was truly inexplicable... I like logic as much as the next person but unless you'd experienced that situation first hand it's impossible to attempt to rationalise the events.

Livia · 10-10-2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've heard the 'it's the pain relief' argument in relation to those terminally ill in their final moments rallying. It happened to my father and it was unnerving but gave us time to say goodbye,the serenity that swept across his face, the essence we felt at that moment and for several hours after wasn't due to any medication he or indeed we had taken, it was truly inexplicable... I like logic as much as the next person but unless you'd experienced that situation first hand it's impossible to attempt to rationalise the events.

Good post, I agree.

Okay, I'm going to sit down and breathe into a paper bag for a minute...

Livia · 10-10-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not really, he is supposed to have said something and it means nothing, its not evidence for anything.

if you wish to concoct a story to go with it that is great and if it helps you fantastic but its not what I am saying or arguing about

Its not either or, either.

50,000 people die every day and their last words are myriad.

Its like cold reading, you just ignore them all until one fits with the view you wish to have

But it means nothing and is evidence for nothing - its just that we allegedly heard about this as he is famous. That day 5000 people could have said "oh sh1t there is nothing but black..." or "oh no this is it there is nothing ahead but non existence" but we did not hear about that.

Yeah, I understand all that. I'm just mystified by your crusade to take comfort from people just because you don't believe it. I mean, it's not like you're ever going to find out, you're far too wicked ever to die.

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not really, he is supposed to have said something and it means nothing, its not evidence for anything.

if you wish to concoct a story to go with it that is great and if it helps you fantastic but its not what I am saying or arguing about

Its not either or, either.

50,000 people die every day and their last words are myriad.

Its like cold reading, you just ignore them all until one fits with the view you wish to have

But it means nothing and is evidence for nothing - its just that we allegedly heard about this as he is famous. That day 5000 people could have said "oh sh1t there is nothing but black..." or "oh no this is it there is nothing ahead but non existence" but we did not hear about that.

By Gad Sir you are incorrigible. But so are we on this subject.

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand all that. I'm just mystified by your crusade to take comfort from people just because you don't believe it. I mean, it's not like you're ever going to find out, you're far too wicked ever to die.

Crimson Dynamo · 10-10-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand all that. I'm just mystified by your crusade to take comfort from people just because you don't believe it. I mean, it's not like you're ever going to find out, you're far too wicked ever to die.

The problem with what dead people said just as they die is the fact that they cant come back to refute it

which is some ways kind of solves the mystery in its self

Livia · 10-10-2015, 01:26 PM

You just wait till Cherie and I shuffle off this mortal coil and come back to go all Woman In Black on your arse...

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Good post, I agree.

Okay, I'm going to sit down and breathe into a paper bag for a minute...

What's those Meatloaf lyrics? Oh. I remember....

'You took the words right out of my mouth'.

Kizzy will be the one needing to sit down - Kirk applaudig her, and Livia commending her. Is the 'Goodwill and Peace To All Mankind' spirit already in the air?

Kizzy · 10-10-2015, 01:30 PM

I already look like the grudge so I have a head start

I'm in shock... there are bright lights...should I walk towards them?

Livia · 10-10-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I already look like the grudge so I have a head start

I'm in shock... there are bright lights...should I walk towards them?

Yes... walk toward them... they're to the right of you :-)

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The problem with what dead people said just as they die is the fact that they cant come back to refute it

which is some ways kind of solves the mystery in its self

Yet, what if they are not allowed to come back?

Wouldn't this destroy the meaning and reason for 'Faith'? It would be akin to a lonely poverty stricken guy proving that he'd just won the EuroLottery - He'd suddenly be swamped by tossers wanting to be his friend.

Faith is faith.

kirklancaster · 10-10-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I already look like the grudge so I have a head start

I'm in shock... there are bright lights...should I walk towards them?

No! It might be LT standing on the edge of a cliff trying to lure you.

Crimson Dynamo · 10-10-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yet, what if they are not allowed to come back?

Wouldn't this destroy the meaning and reason for 'Faith'? It would be akin to a lonely poverty stricken guy proving that he'd just won the EuroLottery - He'd suddenly be swamped by tossers wanting to be his friend.

Faith is faith.

This would be bad news for all those who "have seen a ghost"

( and they dont care if you dont believe them as they know what they saw

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