[DemolitionRed]

I believe the first question we have to ask ourselves is, why. Why do lone or group terrorists want to commit these atrocities? If we know the answer to that question, is there anything we can do to stop them?

We are well aware that it doesn't take an immigrant to create an act of terror. We also know that these terrorists wear no uniform, don't drive tanks or carry Kalashnikov's so the question is, can we physically fight this war on terror?

Enough is enough. We have, for too long heard that we are fighting this war on terror and yet, month on month, things don't improve, bombs still go off and innocents still die. From the 70s into the 2000s we had IRA bombings. How did we bring that to an end? how did we stop the killing of innocents?

May will no doubt jump on her platform and tell us all that this will no longer be tolerated, that her "war on terror" will prevail. We've heard it all before and we tragically will hear it again but the terror will continue and the masses will become more afraid whilst the government continue to reassure us that they are going to make it all better.

[Greg!]

We need to stop getting involved in middle eastern wars for a start.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Greg!

We need to stop getting involved in middle eastern wars for a start.

Bingo. If we invade their land, they will invade ours.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Greg!

We need to stop getting involved in middle eastern wars for a start.

Absolutely this for me.
It really is time to call a halt after so many bad endings to past interventions,which just help fuel the hatred against the UK even more.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

We need to stop getting involved in middle eastern wars for a start.

Yep. Not enough people understand this. I have to be very careful about how I word this, particularly on a day like today, but when people see US, British and other European forces destroy their civilisation and maim their communities, it's inevitable that some are going to seek vengeance.

It's not just that though. Succumbing to the fear and division that these people intend to cause - by scapegoating an entire religion - actually makes the problem worse. The goal of Islamic fundamentalists is to prove to westernised, integrated Muslims that they are hated. That they have no place here, and that they must rise up and fight the infidels. This is actually documented. It's also how radicalisation works, and how it begins. And by pandering to the wishes of terrorists, you are exacerbating the problem. In fact, you are the problem. So stop.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yep. Not enough people understand this. I have to be very careful about how I word this, particularly on a day like today, but when people see US, British and other European forces destroy their civilisation and maim their communities, it's inevitable that some are going to seek vengeance.

It's not just that though. Succumbing to the fear and division that these people intend to cause - by scapegoating an entire religion - actually makes the problem worse. The goal of Islamic fundamentalists is to prove to westernised, integrated Muslims that they are hated. That they have no place here, and that they must rise up and fight the infidels. This is actually documented. It's also how radicalisation works, and how it begins. And by pandering to the wishes of terrorists, you are exacerbating the problem. In fact, you are the problem. So stop.

youre making it worse by accusing people of racism. No one on here has said its all muslims, so why do you constantly make up that lie

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre making it worse by accusing people of racism. No one on here has said its all muslims, so why do you constantly make up that lie

Where have I accused anyone of racism in that post?

Where have I constantly 'made up that lie'?

Can you point me in the direction of these posts? Evidence your unsubstantiated claims? Because I said nothing of the sort.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yep. Not enough people understand this. I have to be very careful about how I word this, particularly on a day like today, but when people see US, British and other European forces destroy their civilisation and maim their communities, it's inevitable that some are going to seek vengeance.

It's not just that though. Succumbing to the fear and division that these people intend to cause - by scapegoating an entire religion - actually makes the problem worse. The goal of Islamic fundamentalists is to prove to westernised, integrated Muslims that they are hated. That they have no place here, and that they must rise up and fight the infidels. This is actually documented. It's also how radicalisation works, and how it begins. And by pandering to the wishes of terrorists, you are exacerbating the problem. In fact, you are the problem. So stop.

no one here or anywhere else is scapegoating an entire religion, apart from the jihadis mass murdering terrorists. I suggest you vent your criticism at them and those who arm and inspire them

[Shaun]

You don't. "Fighting terror" is as empty a phrase as "fighting crime". You can stop some of it but never all of it. Someone's always going to have a stupid cause they're willing to die for.

But yes, the cessation of drone bombing children and selling weapons to callous dictators would be a good place to start.

[UserSince2005]

kill them before they kill us, kill them all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

kill them before they kill us, kill them all.

Yes this seems to be the standard response. "Duuuh bomb dem and dey will nart be ables to do a terrorist to us!".

But even if you put all morals aside and agree to wipe out the entire population of "maybe terror folks" - it is logistically impossible to actually do it. The more bombs you drop, the more terror attacks there will be. Simple as that. So really what it comes down to is this: people are angry and incredulous that innocent people are the victims of terror attacks. And rightly so. But is indignation and foot stomping, even if it's justified, WORTH IT if the end result is actually more deaths of innocents rather than less?

Striking back in anger (back at who, anyway? Drop bombs where?) is never going to be the answer to this no matter how tempting an option it might seem. When people start getting their heads around that, we might actually stand some sort of chance in making some progress. Until then, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Every angry voice advocating further and more aggressive military action is contributing to future deaths in our own country. That might sound harsh but it's the absolute truth.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes this seems to be the standard response. "Duuuh bomb dem and dey will nart be ables to do a terrorist to us!".

But even if you put all morals aside and agree to wipe out the entire population of "maybe terror folks" - it is logistically impossible to actually do it. The more bombs you drop, the more terror attacks there will be. Simple as that. So really what it comes down to is this: people are angry and incredulous that innocent people are the victims of terror attacks. And rightly so. But is indignation and foot stomping, even if it's justified, WORTH IT if the end result is actually more deaths of innocents rather than less?

Striking back in anger (back at who, anyway? Drop bombs where?) is never going to be the answer to this no matter how tempting an option it might seem. When people start getting their heads around that, we might actually stand some sort of chance in making some progress. Until then, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Every angry voice advocating further and more aggressive military action is contributing to future deaths in our own country. That might sound harsh but it's the absolute truth.

I agree with all of this. 'Anger' is one letter short of 'danger', it solves nothing and destroys everything.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

kill them before they kill us, kill them all.

How do we do that?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I believe the first question we have to ask ourselves is, why. Why do lone or group terrorists want to commit these atrocities? If we know the answer to that question, is there anything we can do to stop them?

We are well aware that it doesn't take an immigrant to create an act of terror. We also know that these terrorists wear no uniform, don't drive tanks or carry Kalashnikov's so the question is, can we physically fight this war on terror?

Enough is enough. We have, for too long heard that we are fighting this war on terror and yet, month on month, things don't improve, bombs still go off and innocents still die. From the 70s into the 2000s we had IRA bombings. How did we bring that to an end? how did we stop the killing of innocents?

May will no doubt jump on her platform and tell us all that this will no longer be tolerated, that her "war on terror" will prevail. We've heard it all before and we tragically will hear it again but the terror will continue and the masses will become more afraid whilst the government continue to reassure us that they are going to make it all better.

We could send corbyn for face to face negotiations.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We could send corbyn for face to face negotiations.

Understanding what it’s all about is itself significant.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Understanding what it’s all about is itself significant.

Well if anyone knows how a terrorists mind works its jeremy..at least we know if he does go it will be videod.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well if anyone knows how a terrorists mind works its jeremy..at least we know if he does go it will be videod.

We can only do something about this if we know or understand how a killers mind works. Corbyn doesn't support terrorism as you appear to be suggesting here but I understand that comment to be your emotional reaction to something none of us really understand.

Trying to find answers in common was why I opened this discussion. How this will all end is one thing we all have a common concern over so lets talk about it and stop mud slinging because all that does is create further bad feeling.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We can only do something about this if we know or understand how a killers mind works. Corbyn doesn't support terrorism as you appear to be suggesting here but I understand that comment to be your emotional reaction to something none of us really understand.

Trying to find answers in common was why I opened this discussion. How this will all end is one thing we all have a common concern over so lets talk about it and stop mud slinging because all that does is create further bad feeling.

Is this the same mud you hurled at may in your original post?

[reece(:]

Is there anyway to remove sales of the materials used in constructing these deadly bombs?

[Jack_]

Oh, yeah, that's another thing. If our government could stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia that'd be great.

[DemolitionRed]

One should be very careful who they choose as military partners http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/...-obama-s-reign. “For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind …” (Hosea, 8-7).

[MTVN]

If our foreign policy is to blame then why has Germany also been targeted numerous times? They are a country that has not carried out bombings on Muslim countries and they have done more than any other European nation to help with the victims of wars in the Middle East. Yet still they are attacked. It's the same story with Sweden.

They - and we - are attacked not because of what we do but because of who we are. Because Islamist extremists are by their very ideology totally opposed to the whole structure, culture, demography and identity of the West. That would be the case whether we pursued an interventionist foreign policy or an isolationist one. The whole argument that we have brought this upon ourselves is ridiculously reductionist.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If our foreign policy is to blame then why has Germany also been targeted numerous times? They are a country that has not carried out bombings on Muslim countries and they have done more than any other European nation to help with the victims of wars in the Middle East. Yet still they are attacked. It's the same story with Sweden.

They - and we - are attacked not because of what we do but because of who we are. Because Islamist extremists are by their very ideology totally opposed to the whole structure, culture, demography and identity of the West. That would be the case whether we pursued an interventionist foreign policy or an isolationist one. The whole argument that we have brought this upon ourselves is ridiculously reductionist.

And how 'ridiculously reductionist' is suggesting we are targets because we are from the western hemisphere of the globe?...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And how 'ridiculously reductionist' is suggesting we are targets because we are from the western hemisphere of the globe?...

I'd say that's obvious

Not that I am saying we are uniquely targeted in the West, a lot of Islamist extremists have just as much hatred for the way of life in many Muslim countries if they don't conform to the their narrow view of Islam

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'd say that's obvious

Not that I am saying we are uniquely targeted in the West, a lot of Islamist extremists have just as much hatred for the way of life in many Muslim countries if they don't conform to the their narrow view of Islam

So when Lee Rigbys killers stated to camera that it was British foreign policy that drove them to murder .. were they lying?