[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But that's not the case is it? You're suggesting his actions will be justified as she has be labelled a karen..and they are not. There's lots of people who think his actions were abusive.

? Obviously they're not justified by everyone, not everyone buys into this sort of trash. They are being justified by plenty of people, and that's enough of a problem?

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't agree, there is context to 'karen', she is not a social media construct, she is if anything social commentary in the way ' white van man' and 'yuppies' were in recent history.

I disagree, "karen" started out as a light-hearted observation based meme of a certain type of person and has now been hijacked/usurped into something far more serious, aggressive and sinister. Both are social media constructs.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

? Obviously they're not justified by everyone, not everyone buys into this sort of trash. They are being justified by plenty of people, and that's enough of a problem?



I disagree, "karen" started out as a light-hearted observation based meme of a certain type of person and has now been hijacked/usurped into something far more serious, aggressive and sinister. Both are social media constructs.

I have only come across it very recently, it looks to me like its being used to bully people into silence, don’t raise your head above the parapet, be seen and not heard, or you will receive the modern day equivalent of being thrown to the lions

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

? Obviously they're not justified by everyone, not everyone buys into this sort of trash. They are being justified by plenty of people, and that's enough of a problem?



I disagree, "karen" started out as a light-hearted observation based meme of a certain type of person and has now been hijacked/usurped into something far more serious, aggressive and sinister. Both are social media constructs.

There will always be twats. . It's just a given, anyone with half a brain cell knows he was out of order.

It has no baring on the existence of karen or why they are relevant from a modern sociological perspective. Imo

Many social observations started out as jokes or even whole characters remember 'loadsamoney'?... he came to embody Essex man the first true blue collar tories.

[James]

Twitter has been really wild recently - celebrities being cancelled left, right and centre and accusations being levelled all over the place.

One of the main problems is a rush to judgement... as well as an unreliable standard of information.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

One of the main problems is a rush to judgement... as well as an unreliable standard of information.

I agree and that's why I understand the terror of the woman in the video. She knows fine well that people don't actually give a **** what happened... They'll have made up their mind before even watching the video, and lives have been ruined on far less.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree and that's why I understand the terror of the woman in the video. She knows fine well that people don't actually give a **** what happened... They'll have made up their mind before even watching the video, and lives have been ruined on far less.

But that's not the case is it? You're suggesting his actions will be justified as she has be labelled a karen..and they are not. There's lots of people who think his actions were abusive.

[Kazanne]

I don't know much about what a 'Karen' is, I presume it's a derogatory term ,reading through the thread I am in agreement with Toy Soldier, Niamh ,Oliver and ,Cherie, why can't people just take people at face value and stop labelling them ?

[user104658]

The context of use is important too, though, and in my opinion unless those terms are being used tongue-in-cheek then yeah... I'd oppose all. As soon as any of these terms is used as an attack, or a social media battle horn, it becomes aggressive and sinister. In recent months, the term "Karen" has lost its original usage and is now primarily used aggressively as an insult, taunt or bait or as a lazy dehumanising tactic. Its not just "a few people" at this point. That's the primary function of these terms, and they don't belong anywhere near any rational or civilised debate. And yes, that applies to all of the examples you gave. Do you honestly take anyone seriously once they start throwing around terms like "snowflake", "bloody millenials" or "OK boomer", unironically?

In a WhatsApp message with your friends? Sure. That's different. And it's where these things should stay.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The context of use is important too, though, and in my opinion unless those terms are being used tongue-in-cheek then yeah... I'd oppose all. As soon as any of these terms is used as an attack, or a social media battle horn, it becomes aggressive and sinister. In recent months, the term "Karen" has lost its original usage and is now primarily used aggressively as an insult, taunt or bait or as a lazy dehumanising tactic. Its not just "a few people" at this point. That's the primary function of these terms, and they don't belong anywhere near any rational or civilised debate. And yes, that applies to all of the examples you gave. Do you honestly take anyone seriously once they start throwing around terms like "snowflake", "bloody millenials" or "OK boomer", unironically?

In a WhatsApp message with your friends? Sure. That's different. And it's where these things should stay.

I don't class the boomer, milenial thing as the same... they are too generic. Like the examples I gave karens are very specific, I don't believe they can be 'anyone' in the same way I don't believe anyone could be a bimbo or a chav.

The term may have been hijacked, as we're all those terms by the media at the time to create controversy and sell papers.

However, regardless of that there WERE bimbos, chavs, yuppies...they were a product of their time, as is 'karen'.

[Niamh.]

Back on topic please

[DouglasS]

Karen’s are making a second wave online - seen a lot of memes lately