[Ammi]

...I really am genuinely sorry about your daughter’s mother, Sheriff...and I know how difficult it must be with your daughter and her ongoing mental health issues...collectively for all of us, 2020 has been a rubbish year ..but then more so with individual sorrows for some as well...and I can completely understand why you have a low tolerance for Harry and Meghan and ‘their problems’...I know when I was ill, so many things just felt so small and insignificant in the ‘grand scheme’ ....but just following from Annie’s words, it’s us ...each and every one of us who are small/tiny in the grand scheme...and yet for us, our sorrows and worries are huge, they can become everything, our whole worlds at times...to others though, they are nothing...except for those, obviously, close to us whose lives are also impacted...and who will each day to be better for us...I think the thing with being ‘rich and famous’..?...is that it must be a mixed blessing or a blessing and a curse...yes, so much can have the very best of care through affordability...but so much as well, must be enhanced and intensified through a public and media glare and spotlight....’self healing’ in private is something they can do much less than us so we have ‘privilege’ they don’t also ..their ‘having it all’ can work against them in the very same way that having nothing can for many people...they’ve obviously both been very unhappy in their roles and how things were, so it’s impossible to not wish them better days if they can find them in the life they’ve now chosen...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes robin wi8liams had dependency issues and mental health issues well documented, severe case. Prince Harry hasnt. and there the comparison ends

I read just recently that he was suffering from a form of dementia too, poor guy

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean her own son is implicated in a massive global paedophile conspiracy but yeah I bet Megan has her proppa stressed.

I know right, it's so weird how unfocused people are on that compared to the Meghan and Harry stuff, how is Prince Andrew being a potential sex offender/paedophile less controversial than Harry moving to America? The mind boggles

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I read just recently that he was suffering from a form of dementia too, poor guy



I know right, it's so weird how unfocused people are on that compared to the Meghan and Harry stuff, how is Prince Andrew being a potential sex offender/paedophile less controversial than Harry moving to America? The mind boggles

tff Andrew is keeping a low profile so there is nothing new to discuss

if he was popping up telling the plebs not to fly to save the planet he would be getting grief too

[bots]

the queen hasn't forgiven Andrew for highlighting the fact that they are all really lizards

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the queen hasn't forgiven Andrew for highlighting the fact that they are all really lizards

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the queen hasn't forgiven Andrew for highlighting the fact that they are all really lizards

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I really am genuinely sorry about your daughter’s mother, Sheriff...and I know how difficult it must be with your daughter and her ongoing mental health issues...collectively for all of us, 2020 has been a rubbish year ..but then more so with individual sorrows for some as well...and I can completely understand why you have a low tolerance for Harry and Meghan and ‘their problems’...I know when I was ill, so many things just felt so small and insignificant in the ‘grand scheme’ ....but just following from Annie’s words, it’s us ...each and every one of us who are small/tiny in the grand scheme...and yet for us, our sorrows and worries are huge, they can become everything, our whole worlds at times...to others though, they are nothing...except for those, obviously, close to us whose lives are also impacted...and who will each day to be better for us...I think the thing with being ‘rich and famous’..?...is that it must be a mixed blessing or a blessing and a curse...yes, so much can have the very best of care through affordability...but so much as well, must be enhanced and intensified through a public and media glare and spotlight....’self healing’ in private is something they can do much less than us so we have ‘privilege’ they don’t also ..their ‘having it all’ can work against them in the very same way that having nothing can for many people...they’ve obviously both been very unhappy in their roles and how things were, so it’s impossible to not wish them better days if they can find them in the life they’ve now chosen...

Inspirational, purely and simply.
A beautiful use of words.

I agree with all you've said.

Sadly too, I think the strains and pain of 2020 so far are going to continue for a long time yet too.

I too have said on here, all I wish for this couple is the best they can find for them.
Even stepping back as they chose to.

They'll still be sought after for views on this or that.
They'll have their views.
They didn't want to or set out to change those.

There are those who'll want to hear them and others who'll think they should just shut up.
To cast negativity to their marriage and relationship is deeply personalising the criticism.

They chose each other, to blame one for the other looking or being miserable, in any photo is in my view unnecessary.
We don't know either personally.

We don't see how happy or otherwise they are in their private life setting.
That's part of what they wanted to achieve in the main.

Not, for them now to be expected to seem to NOT now exist at all in the World.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you have money you can get access to the best mental health care in the world but a person who has no money kills them selves while waiting for an appointment.

My daugher has mental health problems and is on anti phycotic medication her mum died April when her heart stopped in her sleep my dad has liver cancer so yea we’ve all got real problems I don’t see that pair of over privileged twats giving the large on the back a poor black mans death as nothing more than attention seeking arse wipes.

Everyone struggles and you have no right to gatekeep struggling. There is always someone who has it worse but that doesn't invalidate the struggles that everyone has.

[Aaliyah]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Robin Williams had multiple millions, he still took his own life and there are many many more examples of this.

He had early on set dementia and numerous other problems, hardly comparable!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Everyone struggles and you have no right to gatekeep struggling. There is always someone who has it worse but that doesn't invalidate the struggles that everyone has.

Yes they are really struggling with the 11 million mansion they have just bought.

Five acres spa pool tennis court, your embarrassing yourself like other are defending them.

Every person on the planet is neededto defeat racism!

There I’ve said it, now you can all hold me in same high regards as Harry.

Empty words that’s all he is giving.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Yes they are really struggling with the 11 million mansion they have just bought.

Five acres spa pool tennis court, your embarrassing yourself like other are defending them.

Every person on the planet is neededto defeat racism!

There I’ve said it, now you can all hold me in same high regards as Harry.

Empty words that’s all he is giving.

I have no care for them but I do have a hatred for ignorant people that believe that can say whether someone else's troubles are legitimate or not when they have no ****ing clue what they are talking about. You are completely ignorant of other people's struggles so you don't get to say whether they are struggling or not without being called out because you are talking out of your arse. You are not wise to other people's lives, you have a bias against someone and you think that gives you knowledge about them that you do not possess.

There's always someone suffering worse but that doesn't invalidate your own suffering. How would you feel if I heard everything you said and said 'well, you still have a roof over your head so you aren't suffering. Get over it.' It would be horrifically dismissive of your own struggles.

You have no clue about other people's struggles so stop acting like you're an authority when you clearly aren't.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have no care for them but I do have a hatred for ignorant people that believe that can say whether someone else's troubles are legitimate or not when they have no ****ing clue what they are talking about. You are completely ignorant of other people's struggles so you don't get to say whether they are struggling or not without being called out because you are talking out of your arse. You are not wise to other people's lives, you have a bias against someone and you think that gives you knowledge about them that you do not possess.

There's always someone suffering worse but that doesn't invalidate your own suffering. How would you feel if I heard everything you said and said 'well, you still have a roof over your head so you aren't suffering. Get over it.' It would be horrifically dismissive of your own struggles.

You have no clue about other people's struggles so stop acting like you're an authority when you clearly aren't.

[arista]

[jet]

Originally Posted by arista

Oh no! Their awful struggles just go on and on....poor wee lambs.

[bots]

this financial independence is a tough gig

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this financial independence is a tough gig

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....I have to say, Jet...I’m not much of a biography reader...but I guess that if I was to read one, it would be one that I felt had some substance...where the author knew or had known in some depth, those whose lives they were giving pages of ‘insight’ on in apparently giving us their ‘real story’...even then, all a biography would be is personal perspective../...little more than an extended opinion piece...with the author of the book referred to and was apparently reviewed widely as ‘fair and balanced’....by her own admission, she prefers to not know or have any knowledge of the people she’s writing about...And yet it’s quite obvious from her interviews and from her articles that she has very formed and fixed opinions about the people she writes about and has no knowledge of, so it could never be fair or balanced...I guess for me a biography by definition would be ...’a detailed account of...etc...’...and again, by her own words, she has no detailed accounts of...very few of us do when it comes to marriages, even of very public people...’integrity’ seems to be a huge thing with Lady Colin...she doesn’t feel that Harry and Meghan are showing integrity by looking to earn their living in the USA...why can’t they just suck it up and have integrity by living off Royal money and being Royal and doing what Royal people do...she doesn’t see the irony of her words and how she earns a living and how that marries up to ‘integrity’ that she seems to hold so highly...

...but yeah, I’m a reader too and I like to form opinions ...but the foundation of opinion is substance and books such as this have none at all, so for me...(...as much as I can be amused by Lady Colin...)...this book would define torture..in my opinion of course...

Well, I will read LCC's book before I pass Judgement.
On the other hand, I've given up on Finding Freedom. It's a ghastly mix of whining and pettiness/a sicky sweet Mills and Boon confection. Meghan's 'Sugars' will love it. Get the tissues ready!

[Ammi]

...I don’t intend to read either and will happily keep an open mind and take with a pinch of Royal salt of the writings of ‘we have source or sauce, type people...just buy my book and the sauce will be displayed...I think if ‘Meghan Sugars’ as you call them...(...although they’re probably supporters of both Meghan and Harry, which has always been one of the huge issues regarding bias and judgement...)...anyways, if supporters only read positive books or articles etc...then they’re equally as closed minded and fixed in their judgements as those who are completely unsupportive of Meghan (..and Harry...)...’seek and you shall find...’...which is fine and everyone’s prerogative but won’t ever paint an accurate story ....

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

Well, I will read LCC's book before I pass Judgement.
On the other hand, I've given up on Finding Freedom. It's a ghastly mix of whining and pettiness/a sicky sweet Mills and Boon confection. Meghan's 'Sugars' will love it. Get the tissues ready!

So you won't pass judgement until you've read another negative book, but you won't even finish reading a book with positivity in it? Do you see the problem?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t intend to read either and will happily keep an open mind and take with a pinch of Royal salt of the writings of ‘we have source or sauce, type people...just buy my book and the sauce will be displayed...I think if ‘Meghan Sugars’ as you call them...(...although they’re probably supporters of both Meghan and Harry, which has always been one of the huge issues regarding bias and judgement...)...anyways, if supporters only read positive books or articles etc...then they’re equally as closed minded and fixed in their judgements as those who are completely unsupportive of Meghan (..and Harry...)...’seek and you shall find...’...which is fine and everyone’s prerogative but won’t ever paint an accurate story ....

Did you miss the part where I said 'I have given up' on Finding Freedom'? I gave it a good go.
If you are not reading the book then you can't say whether there is merit in my critique of it or not, so your judgement that I am closed minded regarding it is wrong. If H&M had admitted to some faults from themselves in the book it would have gone some ways to soften them, but they never do admit to any faults, ever. That is where my dislike stems from.

I have only read the extract from LCC's book on Amazon so far.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So you won't pass judgement until you've read another negative book, but you won't even finish reading a book with positivity in it? Do you see the problem?

How do you know if LCC's book is negative? The majority of reveiwers say it is surprisingly balanced. Haven't read it yet, so can't say.
As for a book you call 'positive', if Mills and Boon and whining and petty point scoring against families is your thing, enjoy!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

How do you know if LCC's book is negative? The majority of reveiwers say it is surprisingly balanced. Haven't read it yet, so can't say.
As for a book you call 'positive', if Mills and Boon and whining and petty point scoring against families is your thing, enjoy!

I have no interest in reading any book on them, because I'm a grown adult, not an excitable teenager who believes reading heat magazine puts me in the life of my favourite pop star.

[Liam-]

Harry and Megz living the luxury they deserve after the horrid abuse they’ve received at the hands of the racists

[Ammi]

...I didn’t miss anything, Jet...I’m not sure why you think I did as I didn’t comment on your ‘critique‘ at all, I wasn’t aware that you had given any...what I commented on was ‘meghan’s Sugars’ as you called them...those who are so supportive of Meghan and Harry ...and saying if positive things are all they are looking for, then that’s equally as closed as those ‘non supporters’ shall we call them...who only look for negatives in their judgement...as I said, the same would apply to both ...’seek and you shall find...’....there is bias in all articles/biographies because they’re all commercially driven...

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I have no interest in reading any book on them, because I'm a grown adult, not an excitable teenager who believes reading heat magazine puts me in the life of my favourite pop star.