[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by jet

Diana, Fergie and Kate all got it bad too in the early days. Meghan gets it worse for a reason, she unwisely set herself against the media from the start.
If you don't know how it all played out, I'm sure you can find it with some research?

Have you not noticed a pattern that it's all of the women who get married into the family that the Media targets?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not meaning to have a go at you Rusticgal, but if so many people that don't dislike Meghan are seeing the Meghan detractors as "OTT" and "toxic" that there might be a case of it being true as so many people can't be getting it wrong?

In your defence I haven't noticed you say anything particularly bad about Meghan, but I have definitely seen unhealthy amount of hatred towards Meghan on the Forum and on Social Media.

Hi Mock... I'm sure that is true of social media, being the monster it is nowadays, but hatred on this forum - I don't agree. Unless you consider opinions from those who don't like her or some of her actions taking part in a discussion as hatred?
The only hatred I perceive is from a few members towards the members who don't like her.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Have you not noticed a pattern that it's all of the women who get married into the family that the Media targets?

Yes, you are right, the media, especially the tabloids have always delighted in comparing the royal women.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Have you not noticed a pattern that it's all of the women who get married into the family that the Media targets?

And Meghan gets the most because you know racism

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by jet

Hi Mock... I'm sure that is true of social media, being the monster it is nowadays, but hatred on this forum - I don't agree. Unless you consider opinions from those who don't like her or some of her actions taking part in a discussion as hatred?
The only hatred I perceive is from a few members towards the members who don't like her.

Hello Jet.

For me personally I take no issue with people disliking Meghan, but when people pull her up for saying "my Husband & I" and this particular case where I can't help but feel that some people are taking the dislike a little too far for my tastes.

I hate David Cameron for what his done to this country, but I would support him if he had a case like this thread because I support him having his privacy, and I don't like thinking about him so much that I wind myself up into a frenzy.

And on this whole Sugars debate, obviously they need to calm down as well if they're giving death threats to Kate as again it's not healthy behaviour.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by jet

Hi Mock... I'm sure that is true of social media, being the monster it is nowadays, but hatred on this forum - I don't agree. Unless you consider opinions from those who don't like her or some of her actions taking part in a discussion as hatred?
The only hatred I perceive is from a few members towards the members who don't like her.

Can you not see though then that hatred, like beauty is possibly in the eye of the beholder then? I don't see hate on either side, as I'm quite indifferent to the whole meghan debate. Those who like her see hate from those who don't and vice versa?

Words like toxic and bullying are thrown around in these debates and I rarely see either

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not meaning to have a go at you Rusticgal, but if so many people that don't dislike Meghan are seeing the Meghan detractors as "OTT" and "toxic" that there might be a case of it being true as so many people can't be getting it wrong?

In your defence I haven't noticed you say anything particularly bad about Meghan, but I have definitely seen unhealthy amount of hatred towards Meghan on the Forum and on Social Media.

I dont see you as having a go Mystic....and I totally agree that there is a lot of toxic stuff out there regarding Meghan...there is no toxicity or hatred on this forum...those of us that dislike her articulate their debate...and Jet gets hounded and abused by the very people that think Meghan does, when all he does is offer decent debate.
I liked Meghan when she came on the scene...she is an attractive woman and she had some depth. However I think she went about things the wrong way and consequently her popularity went downhill fast. Personally I went right off her when she made that documentry in SA....all her self pity whilst surrounding herself with poverty, rape and hostility.
She doesnt deserve some of the hatred she gets but like anyone else if you put yourself out there then you are going to have people that like you and dont like you.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Hello Jet.

For me personally I take no issue with people disliking Meghan, but when people pull her up for saying "my Husband & I" and this particular case where I can't help but feel that some people are taking the dislike a little too far for my tastes.

I hate David Cameron for what his done to this country, but I would support him if he had a case like this thread because I support him having his privacy, and I don't like thinking about him so much that I wind myself up into a frenzy.

And on this whole Sugars debate, obviously they need to calm down as well if they're giving death threats to Kate as again it's not healthy behaviour.

Yes, that is just petty and I don't think I've seen anything like that on this forum? The petty things the tabloids print, like the perfume at the Abbey stuff, I pay no heed to.
My dislike of her comes from actions which have been well documented and verified by respected long time royal commentators, biographers and historians, not from tabloids, though I have been mocked and jeered at for having a great interest in Royalty. If they turn out to be all lies, which I doubt, I'll say I was wrong.

Meghan has been disrespectful, manipulative, sly, has told many outright lies and has courted trouble to pitch family member against family member. She has ditched so many people when they outlive their usefulness to them too - old time friends of hers who she grew up with and were close to from childhood until she got some fame in Suits speak of their sadness and confusion....and how she is ashamed of her families on both her fathers and mothers sides now and wanted nothing to do with them once she got a bit of fame. Apart from her mother.
She preaches compassion and love and family unity!!!!but has not displayed one iota of it towards anyone that can be seen.
Having an interest in the royals, I find her and Harry's path endlessly interesting.....where will it lead ....

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I dont see you as having a go Mystic....and I totally agree that there is a lot of toxic stuff out there regarding Meghan...there is no toxicity or hatred on this forum...those of us that dislike her articulate their debate...and Jet gets hounded and abused by the very people that think Meghan does, when all he does is offer decent debate.
I liked Meghan when she came on the scene...she is an attractive woman and she had some depth. However I think she went about things the wrong way and consequently her popularity went downhill fast. Personally I went right off her when she made that documentry in SA....all her self pity whilst surrounding herself with poverty, rape and hostility.
She doesnt deserve some of the hatred she gets but like anyone else if you put yourself out there then you are going to have people that like you and dont like you.

spot on Rusti

I would like to ask anyone who watched that documentary and approved of them using it to have a whinge about their lives right after a segment on females having to take self defence classes in case they got raped to say so?

of all the platforms they could have used to say 'no one asks if I am okay'? that was not it

[jet]

and really...for those who take the time to defend and support her so adamantly, what is it about her you love, or like? Instead of being cross with those who don't like her (those that do), why not post positive articles about her, not just factual stuff about what Harry and her are doing, but stuff that will counter the conclusions of those who dislike her? I can't really find anything myself, but if you like her enough, surely you could take the time to do this...

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by jet

and really...for those who take the time to defend and support her so adamantly, what is it about her you love, or like? Instead of being cross with those who don't like her (those that do), why not post positive articles about her, not just factual stuff about what Harry and her are doing, but stuff that will counter the conclusions of those who dislike her? I can't really find anything myself, but if you like her enough, surely you could take the time to do this...

We just like somebody who is grounded, fights for what she believes in and is true to herself. But you'll counteract that yourself with reasons why she's such a nasty villainous woman who has destroyed the royal family, so people just can't be bothered xx

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by jet

and really...for those who take the time to defend and support her so adamantly, what is it about her you love, or like? Instead of being cross with those who don't like her (those that do), why not post positive articles about her, not just factual stuff about what Harry and her are doing, but stuff that will counter the conclusions of those who dislike her? I can't really find anything myself, but if you like her enough, surely you could take the time to do this...

I would think this was a positive thread that turned negative thanks to you and others and I’m 100% sure if any more positive Meghan threads were made it will turn negative by the same people. Some people don’t even care about the ****ty royals they are just bored and fed up of all the OTT hate over stupid stuff.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I would think this was a positive thread that turned negative thanks to you and I’m 100% sure if any more positive Meghan threads were made it will turn negative by the same people. Some people don’t even care about the ****ty royals they are just bored and fed up of all the OTT hate over stupid stuff.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

We just like somebody who is grounded, fights for what she believes in and is true to herself. But you'll counteract that yourself with reasons why she's such a nasty villainous woman who has destroyed the royal family, so people just can't be bothered xx

You are absolutely right there.

I certainly for one cannot be bothered.
I neither like or dislike Meghan however, I see no real wrong about her.
Yet almost everything she says and does is scrutinised negatively by those less favourable to her shall we say.

So it's a going around in circles with hardly any fair or reasoned debate whatsoever really.

This thread was initially about her winning a case against a really stinking gutter trash tabloid.
I celebrate that totally.

However the same negativity towards her has surfaced again, rather than the victory of the case itself she was awarded.

She's been vindicated in law for her actions.
I applaud she did it, yes she has the means to, unlike others, however she did.

I've obviously read through this thread, most of the time shaking my head.

I actually agree with every word just about you've said.
Particularly the, cannot be bothered line.
So true..
This is my third post on this thread possibly I think.
It will be my last likely too.

I'm just pleased she won against that vile trash that gets called a news....paper.
So all I'll end with is, well done to her for taking the publication on.
I hope she does anytime any gutter trash publication tries this in the future too.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Cherie

spot on Rusti

I would like to ask anyone who watched that documentary and approved of them using it to have a whinge about their lives right after a segment on females having to take self defence classes in case they got raped to say so?

of all the platforms they could have used to say 'no one asks if I am okay'? that was not it

.

still waiting

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well that just about sums it up..."no but I doubt it was bad"....
Well let me tell you just like Cherie has explained...Meghan and Harry highlighted the Poverty and Rape and hostility aimed at young girls...admirable. Then the second part of the Documentary...was all about Meghan and Harry and the hardship they faced....Poor Meghan no one asked her 'how she was?..having married and had a young baby in a short space of time...and Harry with the fall out with William...
1....they chose to marry and have a child in a short space of time..
2....She has friends and her mother...she has wealth and luxury..
3....The biggest and most sickening thing of all is that she played the pity
card in the backyard of people who suffer...truly suffer.

Instead of coming on here and accusing people of hate....maybe you should have a wider knowledge of the subject matter and a better understanding of why people dislike her.

You see, I saw it differently and remember commenting at the time my views on it.

I don't believe it was that wrong what she did. She was asked how she was and said she was struggling. Despite the fame, fortune etc Meghan was still battling demons. Demons that many millions of women face daily. How many women who have suffered PND felt like they were totally alone, they should be happy with that perfect baby but instead felt miserable. Meghan could have helped a woman here know that its ok to feel like that if someone with all the privilege she has still feels low.

We all know atrocities happen in the world and are happening right now. Children are starving, we watch adverts whilst eating our dinner, should we stop eating or talking about food? No. Harry and Meghan highlighted the plight of those women but the whole discussion point that people have is yeah but she spoke about herself for a 15 minute segment. So?

[Josy]

Ok I'm only posting this once as the threads already been cleaned twice.

Stop using this thread to bait, insult and discuss other members.

No need for any replies to this warning.

Keep on topic from now on.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You see, I saw it differently and remember commenting at the time my views on it.

I don't believe it was that wrong what she did. She was asked how she was and said she was struggling. Despite the fame, fortune etc Meghan was still battling demons. Demons that many millions of women face daily. How many women who have suffered PND felt like they were totally alone, they should be happy with that perfect baby but instead felt miserable. Meghan could have helped a woman here know that its ok to feel like that if someone with all the privilege she has still feels low.

We all know atrocities happen in the world and are happening right now. Children are starving, we watch adverts whilst eating our dinner, should we stop eating or talking about food? No. Harry and Meghan highlighted the plight of those women but the whole discussion point that people have is yeah but she spoke about herself for a 15 minute segment. So?

Oh she was asked? That was left out whenever people speak about that documentary to make her look bad

100% agree with you. I see her opening up admirable and potentially get others to open up too because you know keeping it in isn't healthy or it gets people to ask all their family and friends how they are.

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You see, I saw it differently and remember commenting at the time my views on it.

I don't believe it was that wrong what she did. She was asked how she was and said she was struggling. Despite the fame, fortune etc Meghan was still battling demons. Demons that many millions of women face daily. How many women who have suffered PND felt like they were totally alone, they should be happy with that perfect baby but instead felt miserable. Meghan could have helped a woman here know that its ok to feel like that if someone with all the privilege she has still feels low.

We all know atrocities happen in the world and are happening right now. Children are starving, we watch adverts whilst eating our dinner, should we stop eating or talking about food? No. Harry and Meghan highlighted the plight of those women but the whole discussion point that people have is yeah but she spoke about herself for a 15 minute segment. So?

She wasn’t just ‘asked’ though Annie, the segment was planned in advance with Tom Bradby, Harry’s old friend. Tom said so himself. Meghan hadn’t just seen these awful things on a TV screen, which we are somewhat desensitised to, she saw them in real life technicolour.
By all means share your struggles to help others, but NOT in that setting at the end of a successful tour that they were getting acclaim for. It led to widespread condemnation and took away from the issues they were meant to highlight - the awful plight of the African girls - NOT Meghan’s issues. It was thoughtless and inappropriate, surely you can see why many were sickened by that? Meghan (and Harry’s) lack of self - awareness is an issue that has been ongoing.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Oh she was asked? That was left out whenever people speak about that documentary to make her look bad

100% agree with you. I see her opening up admirable and potentially get others to open up too because you know keeping it in isn't healthy or it gets people to ask all their family and friends how they are.

It was a pre planned question...the intentions and opportunity was there to take advantage of.
If they were natural humanitarians....they should have declined any opportunity to talk about themselves and focused on what the Documentary was supposed to be focused on.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It was a pre planned question...the intentions and opportunity was there to take advantage of.
If they were natural humanitarians....they should have declined any opportunity to talk about themselves and focused on what the Documentary was supposed to be focused on.

People only believe it was pre-planned because they want to and because they hate Meghan

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It was a pre planned question...the intentions and opportunity was there to take advantage of.
If they were natural humanitarians....they should have declined any opportunity to talk about themselves and focused on what the Documentary was supposed to be focused on.

On set were you?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Anyone can pay their respects....Harry and Meghan are the ones who have the desire for privacy but drag along the media...when it suits them. Harry was upset he wasn’t invited to the Remembrance ceremony as part of the Royal family...the family he opted to leave for a more private life ....but he and Meghan chose to make a public display of them showing their respects so that it was plastered all over the media....it was deliberate and if you can’t see it it’s because you choose not to.

They will never get privacy, but they can try to control when the media comes into their life. If it was Kate and William, you'd be praising them for doing so.

Like Marsh said, Harry left the job behind, not his family so you're completely wrong there. If you have to twist things to make your agenda make sense then that's usually a big sign that you're in the wrong, keep that in mind.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

On set were you?

It's because journalist Tom Bradby who is an old friend of Harrys said so it's the only proof they have and I guess they still don't know people can tell a few lies about others.

[jet]

Originally Posted by LukeB

It's because journalist Tom Bradby who is an old friend of Harrys said so it's the only proof they have and I guess they still don't know people can tell a few lies about others.

Yes, he did say so when asked. Sorry.
It was a documentary - they are planned and edited, they aren't LIVE.