[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes the police doing local police work is the same as a war

what a scintillating analogy

I wonder if you just outright want me to say that you wouldn't find it acceptable if the civilians were white Judeo-Christians. I thought the analogy was more subtle but you're right it's clumsy. You don't care because they're Muslims.

[edit]Actually on even brief further consideration there's nothing wrong with the first analogy - the fact that they're not the same in practical or political terms has absolutely zero bearing on the moral hyporthetical being asked - is it morally justified to endanger/kill thousands of innocent civilians if it's a trade-off for removing dangerous individuals. If the answer to one is "yes" and the other is "no" then you're basing that assessment on "some other criteria" and not whether or not the act itself is morally abhorrent.

"But it's a waaar" is a lazy and meaningless deflection.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No matter how battered, bruised and bedevilled. The state of Israel has been a .
gift to the world, a light that mustn’t be extinguished.

[Parmy]

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger. Palestinians across the world march and protest weekly, while their kin get demolished. You dont see many ukranians doing that. Perhaps a braver sort than these cowardly hamas fearing saps that wander our streets betraying their countrymen with banners.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger. Palestinians across the world march and protest weekly, while their kin get demolished. You dont see many ukranians doing that. Perhaps a braver sort than these cowardly hamas fearing saps that wander our streets betraying their countrymen with banners.

Very few of the people out marching are Palestinian. What silliness.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Very few of the people out marching are Palestinian. What silliness.

You are clueless. Go knock yourself out with someone else.

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You are clueless. Go knock yourself out with someone else.

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How convincing. A really stellar argument there Parmy.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

How convincing. A really stellar argument there Parmy.

Just because the virtual signalers have something new to signal virtually, it doesnt mean the marchers are NOT predominantly Palestinian in all the marches we've seen worldwide, which is what Isaid.

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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Indians? Wouldn't Mexicans be a better comparison, i.e. a bordering country?

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger.

Everyone knows Hamas are terrorists who see their civilians as nothing but shields. No-one's saying they're good guys.

[arista]

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

I can't have sound on atm, so I hope the depressing thing is that 75% of them don't believe it?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I can't have sound on atm, so I hope the depressing thing is that 75% of them don't believe it?

Okay caught up now. Relieved that they're distressed about the right thing I was worried they would be pearl-clutching about "how could a quarter of muslims believe such things?!" ... but that was admittedly rather unlikely


Anyway - they were surprised that second and third generation immigrants (I hate those terms - they were born here, they're British, but I suppose it's a useful term with which to refer to their demographic) were sometimes more extreme than their parents.
I'm sure I've read or heard that's not uncommon? I can't remember where, but it's a possible factoid of which I was aware.

Also they said potentially more educated muslims were more likely to believe conspiracy theories around the whole thing.
Again, that's not something that surprises me. I always thought conspiracy nuts were either basement-dwellers, or people we'd call educated.

Spoiler:

I watched the video last night and once again can't have sound on, so sorry if I misremembered.

[joeysteele]

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

Joey
it would help if
The PM & David Cameron
held a joint conference.

They can work out together what to say.


And Allow Questions.

That would stop all this over-speculation.


The Now 6 Month Gaza War

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey
it would help if
The PM & David Cameron
held a joint conference.

They can work out together what to say.


And Allow Questions.

That would stop all this over-speculation.


The Now 6 Month Gaza War

I totally agree with every bit of that you've said there arista.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

The thing is while Cameron was obviously also a big Tory arsehole, he was at least (until the Brexit error) a competent statesman. Sunak quite simply is not. He's just the latest spud in the bizarre Tory hot potato leadership saga.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The thing is while Cameron was obviously also a big Tory arsehole, he was at least (until the Brexit error) a competent statesman. Sunak quite simply is not. He's just the latest spud in the bizarre Tory hot potato leadership saga.

Oh absolutely.
I agree with you on all that SB.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hamas leader’s sons killed in Israeli airstrike

Three of Ismail Haniyeh’s family killed while visiting relatives in Gaza City




Ismail Haniyeh’s sons Hazem, Ameer and Mohammed were killed with family
members in the strike near al-Shati refugee camp in Gaza City.

.......

IDF

[Nicky91]

another antisemitic idiot on social media

some people seriously have not learned from the past



i am sooooooooooooo making my own israeli flags for next month to wave in our living room, starting on May 4th with remembrance day with the 2 minutes of silence

[arista]

A UK Military Ship from Cyrus is on its way
To the Port being built in Gaza

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great to hold a corner of a huge pro Israel flag at Ibrox today

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Great to hold a corner of a huge pro Israel flag at Ibrox today

Wow what a vivid representation of hive mind tribalism. Hold a corner, indeed . I'm going to have to adopt that phrase I think.

[bots]

I think the word is gravitas. Cameron has an air of gravitas that very few politicians have these days, across the political spectrum and internationally too.

I used to moan like hell about politicians of yesteryear, but my god, the latest batch are unthinkable

[Nicky91]

next month will be a huge win against antisemitism, and i'm gonna have my share in that as well, with maybe around 15 to 20 votes for Israel at ESC


the jewish people have suffered for way too long already, in 40-45 by the Nazi's and also in the 70's at Munich Olympics Massacre many israeli athletes murdered by palestinians



and now this rise of antisemitism needs to stop for good

[bots]

what it actually means is that 75% of the muslim population in the UK are antisemitic. Let's not pussy foot around, that is the scale of the issue we have here now