[goroos1994]

Noirin flirts yes, but she's completely natural. She's pretty but not exciting. As a matter of fact, women all around the world are in her situation, so how can you blame her for her 'followers'. She hasn't made a move, nor had sex (Sophie). On the other hand Marcus has a bad temper. He treats women like objects. Remember when he signalled to Michelle to pull her top down or when he put his hand on Noirin's flangita.

Where's the respect for each other, women? Why is it okay for men to get away with calling you sluts and *****s from TV shows like this. I sure as hell wouldn't want my son watching this, getting the idea that if women flirt they're sluts, if men flirt they're players.

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Redial.

Noirin's naive, Marcus is just a sleazey womanizer.

[Vicky.]

Why do people assume that girls who dont like noirin are jealous?

Plenty of men dont like her too, what is their reason...

[Bella~]

I'm not jealous.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

great thread but it happens every year,girls in general just cant stand the fact she has Siavash if she wants.

[Bella~]

"Girls in general?" I guess that doesn't include me. I don't dislike Noirin.

But why would anybody be jealous of someone on a reality show? I don't get it.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Bella~
"Girls in general?" I guess that doesn't include me. I don't dislike Noirin.

But why would anybody be jealous of someone on a reality show? I don't get it.

Because the few obsessive Noirin fans are now clutching at straws

[Bella~]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Because the few obsessive Noirin fans are now clutching at straws

Thanks for the clarification. I knew it sounded slightly absurd.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Why do people assume that girls who dont like noirin are jealous?

Plenty of men dont like her too, what is their reason...

Are you serious? Think it is pretty obvious!!

She is strong, confident and independent. A lot of men don't like those qualities in women because it makes them a threat - in many ways - including - breaking the male double- standard rules about how they say women should behave - hence name-calling!!

Don't get me wrong - I don't particularly like her - and I certainly don't like her treatment of Siavash - but that sort of double-standard name-calling affects all women and we can't just sit back and let men get away with it.

Also - men ALWAYS accuse women of being jealous if they don't like an attractive women - ie. Sophie - I responded to one such post by some bloke yesterday.

Therefore - I am quite perplexed by your question!!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Why do people assume that girls who dont like noirin are jealous?

Plenty of men dont like her too, what is their reason...

Are you serious? Think it is pretty obvious!!

She is strong, confident and independent. A lot of men don't like those qualities in women because it makes them a threat - in many ways - including - breaking the male double- standard rules about how they say women should behave - hence name-calling!!

Don't get me wrong - I don't particularly like her - and I certainly don't like her treatment of Siavash - but that sort of double-standard name-calling affects all women and we can't just sit back and let men get away with it.

Also - men ALWAYS accuse women of being jealous if they don't like an attractive women - ie. Sophie - I responded to one such post by some bloke yesterday.

Therefore - I am quite perplexed by your question!!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

Are you serious? Think it is pretty obvious!!

She is strong, confident and independent. A lot of men don't like those qualities in women because it makes them a threat - in many ways - including - breaking the male double- standard rules about how they say women should behave - hence name-calling!!

Don't get me wrong - I don't particularly like her - and I certainly don't like her treatment of Siavash - but that sort of double-standard name-calling affects all women and we can't just sit back and let men get away with it.

Also - men ALWAYS accuse women of being jealous if they don't like an attractive women - ie. Sophie - I responded to one such post by some bloke yesterday.

Therefore - I am quite perplexed by your question!!

Ok...so basically, there are no valid reasons for disliking Noirin then?

[yousoboo!]

Noirin is a very sexual female. But with zero personality. She's just not that bright. Or witty. Josie Long is much more girlfriend material.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Ok...so basically, there are no valid reasons for disliking Noirin then?

Not saying that - actually said in my response that I didn't particularly like her - she is attention seeking - just like Marcus - and just like most of the other hm's.

[Stephanie]

LOL, who would be jealous of a manipultive bitch who is seriously messed up in the head.

[goroos1994]

The whole point of this thread is obvious.
Its also obvious the fact that girls on BB don't fare as well as men.

Women need respect for each other - if it was visa versa and Marcus was in Noirin's position she'd be in a lose-lose situation anyway.

It's not equal, and I for one who am a male don't feel its fair. Noirin isn't attractive so no, I'm not making this thread because I'm in love with Noirin.

[goroos1994]

Originally posted by stefani
LOL, who would be jealous of a manipultive bitch who is seriously messed up in the head.

Not talking about looks here - we're talking about jealousy when women attract lots of men and get the blame - maybe from Australia it's different though as women and men seem fairly equal, but when I watch the UK version I know what to expect each time women are in the position Noirin is in now.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by goroos1994

Not talking about looks here - we're talking about jealousy when women attract lots of men and get the blame - maybe from Australia it's different though as women and men seem fairly equal, but when I watch the UK version I know what to expect each time women are in the position Noirin is in now.

Well...shes got herself into the situation though, can you not see that?

She should have told each guy point blank that she was not interested...not lead them on first and then decided to tell them.

Siavash is the one i feel sorry for...though he is at fault also for cheating on his girlfriend.

Kate was a pretty girl, and she had a thing with spencer, who was very popular and a lot of girls fancied him, yet she went on to win the show, so the theory that girls are jealous is a bit flawed...

[goroos1994]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Well...shes got herself into the situation though, can you not see that?

She should have told each guy point blank that she was not interested...not lead them on first and then decided to tell them.
Rubbish! The men have gone up to her all the time, and when she lets them off easy and makes clear through body language she doesn't want them in that way, they go further and continue to persist.

Siavash is the one i feel sorry for...though he is at fault also for cheating on his girlfriend.
Exactly what I mean, Noirin would be at fault if she cheated on a boyfriend, let alone she's a single lady and she should be able to do what she pleases.

Kate was a pretty girl, and she had a thing with spencer, who was very popular and a lot of girls fancied him, yet she went on to win the show, so the theory that girls are jealous is a bit flawed...

Hmm, that's going back about 7 years ago. Things have changed since then, and only one female has won since then. And outrage at her win there was.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Well...shes got herself into the situation though, can you not see that?

She should have told each guy point blank that she was not interested...not lead them on first and then decided to tell them.

Siavash is the one i feel sorry for...though he is at fault also for cheating on his girlfriend.

Kate was a pretty girl, and she had a thing with spencer, who was very popular and a lot of girls fancied him, yet she went on to win the show, so the theory that girls are jealous is a bit flawed...

It is flawed - always has been. I don't think its jealousy - I think it is that many women have been sub-consciously brainwashed by men's double-standards.

Men like to flirt and to sleep around and see no harm in that. But when women do it - they don't like it - and try to stop them doing it by name-calling!!

It has been going on for centuries - not as bad as it was - but many men still do it!!

As a result - many women seem to end up believing it themselves! Have never understood that!!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by goroos1994

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

It is flawed - always has been. I don't think its jealousy - I think it is that many women have been sub-consciously brainwashed by men's double-standards.

Men like to flirt and to sleep around and see no harm in that. But when women do it - they don't like it - and try to stop them doing it by name-calling!!

It has been going on for centuries - not as bad as it was - but many men still do it!!

As a result - many women seem to end up believing it themselves! Have never understood that!!

That makes a lot more sense than the usual 'jealousy' arguement.

In fact it is one of the most sensible posts i have read all night.

[Lauren]

Hi goroos

My dislike for Noirin is not based within jealousy, I dislike Marcus too. In truth - I dislike the entire situation. This needless desire to flirt, kiss, hug, then move on (including the actions of Marcus, may I add) - trivialises everything.

Why can't they just be friends? ... Now you might argue that that is all Noirin wants, but she's made it clear she only wants to be friends when it doesn't suit her. See the argument between Noirin and Siavash a few weeks back, Noirin said to Marcus... (adlib) "Why do you stick up for your friend, you should be sticking up for ME!" - she may not see herself in a relationship with him, of course, but at that stage she pitched herself slightly higher than just a friend.

As well as Marcus and Noirin, I also dislike Siavash for going along with all of this, despite a) Having a gf on the outside, and b) Being friends with Marcus.

So no, not everyones dislike for Noirin is jealousy - for proof look at the posters, a lot of them who dislike her are male.

[snowflake09]

it not that i a jealous it to get her out she is make savish the same way she dose nt like him has falling for her game plan