[Clockers]

Remember the fascinating but utterly dumb bitch Kitten from a certain mid series BB. Sov reminds me of her, being rebellious is what she knows, cos that's all she can offer.

[pixee]

I don't mind but why do people who single themselves out wonder why they are been singled out, single yourself out and embrace it don't wonder why lol

[MrGaryy]

Yeah I totally see that. she's just rebelling for the sake of being rebellious, quite like Kitten.

[PaulyJ]

Ow Lol give a dog a bad name.

Since when does anyone wish to single themselves out it goes against everything human so i think we can rule that idea out, if she is now singled out it may or may not be her fault but i am 100 pcnt sure it was not her intention, shall we bear in mind Ivana was the first to single her out by telling her she would be leaving before the votes we're counted.

[Clockers]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

Ow Lol give a dog a bad name.

Since when does anyone wish to single themselves out it goes against everything human so i think we can rule that idea out, if she is now singled out it may or may not be her fault but i am 100 pcnt sure it was not her intention, shall we bear in mind Ivana was the first to single her out by telling her she would be leaving before the votes we're counted.

I disagree, Sov is the Rebel, being singled out is what she knows. If she hanging with her Homies then she feel right at home but with a variety of different personalities she just not able to have a role in that house other than that of a Rebel.

[PaulyJ]

If by Rebel you mean opening a can of Corned Beef then ok, but ever since that mistake she has been singled out, thus she looks like a rebel if you forget why she walked out of the meeting.

To me a rebel rages against authority, Cat raged against BB because they we're the authority not because she felt mis-treated by BB

Sov raged(ok more like tuted) against Vinnie and the meeting and the concensus which was against her because she felt she was being unfairly treated

A rebel asks where is the authority so i can rage, where as Sov waits till she is mis-treated before raging, i think that is true of us all.

I agree she is out of her comefort zone though she has nothing in common with a lot of the Hm's. But that does not suggest her as a Rebel.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Clockers

I disagree, Sov is the Rebel, being singled out is what she knows. If she hanging with her Homies then she feel right at home but with a variety of different personalities she just not able to have a role in that house other than that of a Rebel.

its just how she's been typecast in the show,she's far from a rebel, she admited when she came in,on the outside she feels like an outcast at times,and instead of being shown love and respect in the house she's being targeted, for what?

and as for her "homies" that could be said for anyone,we all feel more comfortable with our friends,in an alien environment she's finding it hard to fit in, while the rest of them bitch about her she's walking around not sitting in a room berating vinnie,or dane..

she's done nothing to warrant the treatment she's getting..

[Clockers]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

If by Rebel you mean opening a can of Corned Beef then ok, but ever since that mistake she has been singled out, thus she looks like a rebel if you forget why she walked out of the meeting.

To me a rebel rages against authority, Cat raged against BB because they we're the authority not because she felt mis-treated by BB

Sov raged(ok more like tuted) against Vinnie and the meeting and the concensus which was against her because she felt she was being unfairly treated

A rebel asks where is the authority so i can rage, where as Sov waits till she is mis-treated before raging, i think that is true of us all.

I agree she is out of her comefort zone though she has nothing in common with a lot of the Hm's. But that does not suggest her as a Rebel.

Must be watching different shows, because one of the funder mental reasons why Sov is up is she not a team player. Playing in a team requires authority, a guide for the whole group to follow. She part of the group but not the team, the black sheep. The sad thing is she has no will power or mental strength to deal with her surroundings in any other way but to throw constant strops and piss people off.

[RealityTVisGreat]

From what we are seeing, I think sh eis being treated unfairly but she is a thoughtless person!
She is taking the mikey out of Jonas, as he is to nice to say no!

[Clockers]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

its just how she's been typecast in the show,she's far from a rebel, she admited when she came in,on the outside she feels like an outcast at times,and instead of being shown love and respect in the house she's being targeted, for what?

and as for her "homies" that could be said for anyone,we all feel more comfortable with our friends,in an alien environment she's finding it hard to fit in, while the rest of them bitch about her she's walking around not sitting in a room berating vinnie,or dane..

she's done nothing to warrant the treatment she's getting..

Point of BB and CBB is to fit several different people under 1 roof. So everyone has to deal with everyone but Sov cannot deal with anyone and everyone else cannot deal with Sov. Outcast, she casted her self out the moment she wanted to do things her way and had no consideration for anyone else. Only time she nice is when she wants something, like begging Jonas for fags. Talking about Jonas, someone she considers an ally has also nominated her.

[setanta]

She's a self absorbed little brat.

[PaulyJ]

Originally Posted by Clockers

Must be watching different shows, because one of the funder mental reasons why Sov is up is she not a team player. Playing in a team requires authority, a guide for the whole group to follow. She part of the group but not the team, the black sheep. The sad thing is she has no will power or mental strength to deal with her surroundings in any other way but to throw constant strops and piss people off.

I don't really dis-agree with anything you've said except the Rebel tag, she is pritty much what you have said she is, but why do you speak against someone struggling in an environment she is not coping well with. Two often on BB the "Team" often with self installed leaders, often having become the leader by way of dubious gossipy tactical bad mouthing, and the show of skill in putting socially weaker Hm's down, dictate opinion in the house and also in the outside world including this Forum, and the person who is struggling is the one to get the labels.

I don't understand the purpose of singling her out and iscolating her further by talking about her, and bad mouthing her to Johan one of her only friends left if the purpose is not to make her problems worse. Far better to keep her in the group and reason with her i think. Their is a vileness growing against her, fed by her behaviour in the house such as i have just seen her begging for cigs, that behaviour is now deemed terrible bad, rude, disrespectful, and is now forcing Jonas to reconsider his friendship with Sov, i cant help but think that was Vinnie's intention when he raised the issue, after Sov left the room.

[Clockers]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

I don't really dis-agree with anything you've said except the Rebel tag, she is pritty much what you have said she is, but why do you speak against someone struggling in an environment she is not coping well with. Two often on BB the "Team" often with self installed leaders, often having become the leader by way of dubious gossipy tactical bad mouthing, and the show of skill in putting socially weaker Hm's down, dictate opinion in the house and also in the outside world including this Forum, and the person who is struggling is the one to get the labels.

I don't understand the purpose of singling her out and iscolating her further by talking about her, and bad mouthing her to Johan one of her only friends left if the purpose is not to make her problems worse. Far better to keep her in the group and reason with her i think. Their is a vileness growing against her, fed by her behaviour in the house such as i have just seen her begging for cigs, that behaviour is now deemed terrible bad, rude, disrespectful, and is now forcing Jonas to reconsider his friendship with Sov, i cant help but think that was Vinnie's intention when he raised the issue, after Sov left the room.

Ok I see where you going too, but being singled out is on her own accord. The rebel tag is about her being rebel with out a clue. I know she not starting a rebellion or anything like that, but she is dumb and has only herself to blame.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Clockers

Point of BB and CBB is to fit several different people under 1 roof. So everyone has to deal with everyone but Sov cannot deal with anyone and everyone else cannot deal with Sov. Outcast, she casted her self out the moment she wanted to do things her way and had no consideration for anyone else. Only time she nice is when she wants something, like begging Jonas for fags. Talking about Jonas, someone she considers an ally has also nominated her.

yes that is the basic idea behind the show,a social experiment. some deal with it better than others,she finds it hard to fit in,and she casted her self out by wanting to do things her way?didnt hurt vinnies rep when he gets his own way,thing is in the house people fear vinnie even though they know he's wrong.

and the reason people like vinnie and stephanie cant stand her in that house,is the same reason that forum members like yourself cant stand her,you look down on her..

and your last point is a matter of perception,you could say she's only nice when she wants something,or you could be honest and think,was she nice when katya was down?yes.. was she nice when she apologised to ivana?yes. whether its apparent to you or not,she's far from the vile chavvy scum she's made out to be..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Clockers

Remember the fascinating but utterly dumb bitch Kitten from a certain mid series BB. Sov reminds me of her, being rebellious is what she knows, cos that's all she can offer.

Very true ,and what happened to her ? not a lot

[Stacey.]

sov is lovely

[Clockers]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

yes that is the basic idea behind the show,a social experiment. some deal with it better than others,she finds it hard to fit in,and she casted her self out by wanting to do things her way?didnt hurt vinnies rep when he gets his own way,thing is in the house people fear vinnie even though they know he's wrong.

and the reason people like vinnie and stephanie cant stand her in that house,is the same reason that forum members like yourself cant stand her,you look down on her..

and your last point is a matter of perception,you could say she's only nice when she wants something,or you could be honest and think,was she nice when katya was down?yes.. was she nice when she apologised to ivana?yes. whether its apparent to you or not,she's far from the vile chavvy scum she's made out to be..

So whats your point, it seems your no different in pointing certain aspects of housemates than I am? You just happen to have affiliation with certain housemates like Sov because you ignoring her negative behaviour in the house. I get it you like Sov and you need to point out that regardless of all her flaws (which you don't see) Sov is great. I have no favourites, I am no Fan boy. I look down on Sov because she reminds me of allot of people who are supposed to come from tough backgrounds, but this rude girl handles her current tough scenario like a typical Chav. Sov sincerity is fake, which is why I also find it hard to warm to her. Sisoq on paper is closest to a male equivalent of Sov but he handled things well which is why he one of the favs to win CBB.