[Smithy]

I was reading the paper earlier and saw an article which said something like 60% of people who illegally download music didnt see it as theft.

So just wondering if you do, and if not, why not?

[Twilight]

Yes i do,but i still do it:P

[bananarama]

Suppose so. But theft is also when music companies charge too much for a load of crap that makes crappy performers filthy rich.......Their theft of course is strictly legal.........

[Captain.Remy]

No. Just making humongous savings. I only buy CDs from one band: Daft Punk because they're worth buying and they're my idols. Artists (when they're worth buying which is very rare nowadays) can live with illegal downloading. They earn enough money for themselves. I'm not going to cry on their shoulder, there are worst things out there.

[setanta]

I'm not getting involved in this one. Stu, stay out of it too: I want to watch the rugby today hee hee.

[Stu]

Well it is theft. No room for debate on that. But there are countless upsides to it.

It's like smoking pot. It's not always bad just because it's illegal and you can't define it just by that invisible moral barrier.. You need to bring some common sense into it too. If I download an album that's already sold ten million copies, who gives a fuck.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

No. Just making humongous savings. I only buy CDs from one band: Daft Punk because they're worth buying and they're my idols. Artists (when they're worth buying which is very rare nowadays) can live with illegal downloading. They earn enough money for themselves. I'm not going to cry on their shoulder, there are worst things out there.

But thats the thing :

It is reckoned that every year 7.3million computer users download tracks illegally, costing the industry Ł200million.

But many people think it is harmless because rich pop stars won't notice an effect on their bank balances.

Lily Allen disagrees. Here she explains why.
BRITISH music is the best in the world, no contest.

We're proud of it and we're famous for it worldwide.

Shame then that we're sitting back and watching one of our most creative industries face ruin. And if you are illegally file-sharing, you're contributing to the damage.

Illegal file-sharing damages music because it harms new artists.

When you start in a music career, you need money to establish and promote yourself and pay for your material to be recorded.

This money comes from music sales, because when you're a new artist you can't make enough from gigs or selling T-shirts.

If you can't sell your music, you can't go on. It's that simple.

File-sharing cuts off income at the most crucial, cash-strapped point in emerging artists' careers, which means that a generation of new artists won't be able to break through.

I'm not against digital - how could I be? Overall, the internet has had a great effect on music and legal streaming has been positive for my career.

It's because I understand the internet that I'm not afraid to call illegal file-sharing what it is - the biggest threat to British music's future.

Hurt
I blogged about this last week and got hundreds of replies. Some said, "You're rich, so stop moaning."

They're missing the point - this isn't about me. I'm lucky, I've broken through.

[Smithy]

The people being hurt by file-sharing are those that haven't got there yet.

The up-and-coming acts as well as the session musicians, song writers and all the others involved in making music, that can't make up the money lost from file-sharing by going on big tours.

Discussing legal means and new ways of accessing music is fine - stopping piracy is going to need innovation too - but we can't move forwards until we start acting against illegal file-sharing, making people understand it's wrong.

The solution is for the government to work out, but tough action may be what's needed to make a difference.

You might not want to agree with me but other artists think the same.

Our music is miles apart but from Muse to N-Dubz to James Blunt to Taio Cruz to Gary Barlow to Tinchy Stryder and Elton John, artists agree file-sharing hurts British music.

If we don't attack piracy - don't defend new artists - British music will be stuck in the past. And illegal file-sharing will have ruined British music for the next generation.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by setanta

I'm not getting involved in this one. Stu, stay out of it too: I want to watch the rugby today hee hee.

You know today is the big day buddy boy ! It should be a great afternoon and an amazing night.

[Stu]

The music industry will be better off in the long run. It's being run by a group of manipulative schysters and it was long overdue for a good kick up the ass.

For every band that is suffering at the hands of illegal downloading, think of all the bands who have built up huge fan bases through the internet.

[Patrick]

Was watching somthing on BBC1 the other night called Paramoral or somthing like that, and they were talking about how the UK Downloads alot of illegal tracks.

Surprisingly, alot of artists dont mind about this.
Its the record lables that are pissed off.

But so, its the artist we care about not the Record Lables.. even if they do own the artist =/


The goverment are apperantly trying to bring in a law..

If your caught downloading illegal music, they will get your IP and send you a letter as a warning.

If you do it again, they will send you another letter apperantly 'abit harsher'

If you do it again (This is the part the singers got pissed off about) The goverment will make sure your internet is SLOWED DOWN so you wouldnt want to wait 2 hours for 3 minute song to download.

If your caught again, they completely disconnect you from the internet forever.


I hope this law is never introduced to the UK, Its VERY Unfair to everyone FFS.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Patrick

If your caught downloading illegal music, they will get your IP and send you a letter as a warning.

If you do it again, they will send you another letter apperantly 'abit harsher'

If you do it again (This is the part the singers got pissed off about) The goverment will make sure your internet is SLOWED DOWN so you wouldnt want to wait 2 hours for 3 minute song to download.

If your caught again, they completely disconnect you from the internet forever.

It's from France actually and the law is about to take place in...10 days. And they won't do the 3rd step. After the second letter, you must not get caught for a whole year. If you do, you get in front of the judge and they cut your Internet access and you still must be paying for it.

I don't give a damn anyway because I download my music from Youtube.

[xDramatick]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Was watching somthing on BBC1 the other night called Paramoral or somthing like that, and they were talking about how the UK Downloads alot of illegal tracks.

Surprisingly, alot of artists dont mind about this.
Its the record lables that are pissed off.

But so, its the artist we care about not the Record Lables.. even if they do own the artist =/


The goverment are apperantly trying to bring in a law..

If your caught downloading illegal music, they will get your IP and send you a letter as a warning.

If you do it again, they will send you another letter apperantly 'abit harsher'

If you do it again (This is the part the singers got pissed off about) The goverment will make sure your internet is SLOWED DOWN so you wouldnt want to wait 2 hours for 3 minute song to download.

If your caught again, they completely disconnect you from the internet forever.


I hope this law is never introduced to the UK, Its VERY Unfair to everyone FFS.

I doubt the internet companies would be particularly happy about that :/
They'd lose too much money if people kept getting disconnected for illegal downloads.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Darenn

I doubt the internet companies would be particularly happy about that :/
They'd lose too much money if people kept getting disconnected for illegal downloads.

If the UK government does the same thing the French one did then the customers will still have to monthly pay the internet companies the same price they used to from 1 to 3 years (depending on how much you downloaded) so it doesn't make any change for the internet companies.

[Smithy]

Would that law still count if i download music off of youtube?

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Would that law still count if i download music off of youtube?

No don't worry, you're safe. So am I. BitTorrent/µtorrent/Azureus/.... (any torrent downloading service) and eMule are concerned. Any file sharing system to be frank.
DownloadHelper on Youtube doesn't count

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

No don't worry, you're safe. So am I. BitTorrent/µtorrent/Azureus/.... (any torrent downloading service) and eMule are concerned. Any file sharing system to be frank.
DownloadHelper on Youtube doesn't count

Phew

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Would that law still count if i download music off of youtube?

I think what they ment on that show was downloading off Bearshare and Limewire etc.

Thats what it showed on the show anyway, logos from Limewire and stuff.

I use Video2MP3 to download of Youtube, I dont think they would actually consider that as illegal downloading for some reason.. probley because its off a site and not of an illegal software like Limewire.

I dont use Limewire anymore though, it has too much viruses.

So I think if you stay clear of Limewire, Bearshare etc then they wont pick up on you doing it.

The stupid idiots also mentioned on the show that you can hide your IP address from them VIA A Proxy so its hilarious that they just scared everyone into not downloading, and then at the end were like 'Although you can use a proxy site '

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

No don't worry, you're safe. So am I. BitTorrent/µtorrent/Azureus/.... (any torrent downloading service) and eMule are concerned. Any file sharing system to be frank.
DownloadHelper on Youtube doesn't count

Yeah this is true.

On the BBC1 Show they kept showing UTorrent and Pirate Bay
So if anyone uses them, they should probley stop if that law is brought into the country.

[Stu]

Seriously, how do you listen to music from YouTube. It's horrible. Even the cleanest of videos will sound muddled and unspectacular when listened to through some good headphones or speakers.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

You know today is the big day buddy boy ! It should be a great afternoon and an amazing night.

You know, it's a funny old game because France only truly convinced me of their ability in the Ireland match. Ok, I didn't bother with Italian or Scottish matches really, but against Wales you were very lucky to get the win. Anyway, if you play like you did in that second half England could grind out a result. Having said that, your pack can be awsome.

Actually think Wales v Italy could be a doozie.

[Captain.Remy]

I have 10 days left to download films like a massive *****

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Seriously, how do you listen to music from YouTube. It's horrible. Even the cleanest of videos will sound muddled and unspectacular when listened to through some good headphones or speakers.

they dont though, youdownload them and convert them to mp3, they sound just as good as a normal iTunes download.

Free Studio Manager, does it all

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Seriously, how do you listen to music from YouTube. It's horrible. Even the cleanest of videos will sound muddled and unspectacular when listened to through some good headphones or speakers.

Depends where you download them from.

I download them as a MP3 and they sound just fine tbh.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

they dont though, youdownload them and convert them to mp3, they sound just as good as a normal iTunes download.

Free Studio Manager, does it all

There we go.
The French government is eating its balls right now because they're screwed. No one uses eMule or µtorrent. Since the law got voted, dozens and dozens of websites hosted in foreign countries give direct download links so no need for downloading softwares anymore.
And then DownloadHelper put the cherry on the cake.