[Crimson Dynamo]

"The Christian B&B owners who wouldn’t give a double bed to a homosexual couple have been deluged with hate mail, including a threat to burn down their home. "

“There must have been 900 emails, and I would say half of them are really abusive and threatening”.


http://www.christian.org.uk/news/chr...eged-by-abuse/

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Also interesting to hear the debate. The guy from Attitude magazine is aggressive and thinks he is right and not open to being wrong...

Sadly so do the 450 people who emailed, called and texted. It must be the modern society the guy from Attitude is talking about...

[Niamh.]

maybe burning down their house is a bit much but really they can't expect to be hateful towards people and not expect to get some hate back.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

maybe burning down their house is a bit much but really they can't expect to be hateful towards people and not expect to get some hate back.

They were not hateful, dont be silly. They offered them single rooms, it is not like they shouted at them and told them to go to hell, lol.

trying to justify the abuse is plain wonky

[setanta]

"Suing someone because you don’t like their beliefs is illiberal, undemocratic and has no place in a free society".

Refusing someone because you don't agree with their sexuality is illiberal, undemocratic and has no place in a free society you hypocritical gimp. I'm sorry LT, but that line was absolute waffle of the highest order. You open a B and B and you have to accept and adhere to the laws of the land. Simple.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by setanta

"Suing someone because you don’t like their beliefs is illiberal, undemocratic and has no place in a free society".

Refusing someone because you don't agree with their sexuality is illiberal, undemocratic and has no place in a free society you hypocritical gimp. I'm sorry LT, but that line was absolute waffle of the highest order. You open a B and B and you have to accept and adhere to the laws of the land. Simple.

She did not refuse them she offered them single beds?

[Mrluvaluva]

And they call themselves Christians?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She did not refuse them she offered them single beds?

Who the hell does she think she is telling 2 consenting adults they can't share a bed?? GIve me a break!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They were not hateful, dont be silly. They offered them single rooms, it is not like they shouted at them and told them to go to hell, lol.

trying to justify the abuse is plain wonky

That was hateful in mine and many other peoples eyes

[setanta]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She did not refuse them she offered them single beds?

No she didn't. She would have had they not been all booked out so in that situation you just have to bite the bullet and accept it or just say that you fŁcked up with the bookings. Total stupidity on their parts. But anyway, they broke the law when they refused them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by setanta

No she didn't. She would have had they not been all booked out so in that situation you just have to bite the bullet and accept it or just say that you fŁcked up with the bookings. Total stupidity on their parts. But anyway, they broke the law when they refused them.

and you believe that a cripling lawsuit is the best way forward here?

every person who breaks a law should be sued regardless of circumstances?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and you believe that a cripling lawsuit is the best way forward here?

every person who breaks a law should be sued regardless of circumstances?

I believe that hateful, discriminating crimes such as these should be punished severly so that the person might think twice before doing it again.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and you believe that a cripling lawsuit is the best way forward here?

every person who breaks a law should be sued regardless of circumstances?

They broke the law for feck sake... what circumstances are you talking about?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by setanta

They broke the law for feck sake... what circumstances are you talking about?

we all break laws every day, mobiles in cars, speeding, age for drinking, drugs..

Could there 2 stupid old men not just have gone elsewhere, its not like there was no where else?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we all break laws every day, mobiles in cars, speeding, age for drinking, drugs..

Could there 2 stupid old men not just have gone elsewhere, its not like there was no where else?

Don't be giving me that LT. Would you just go somewhere else if somebody turned you down because you were holding some rosary beads in your hand as you walked in the door? It doesn't work that way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Mr Morgan said he and Mr Black, who live together in Brampton, Cambridgeshire, were considering suing not for money but 'for a principle'.

He added: 'She believes that her convictions are based on her Christian views - well all I can say is that it is very unfortunate that her views come into conflict with the law.'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j5pIcRCp


So when gay men moan on about marriage law and want it changed as it is against their beliefs that is somehow different?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we all break laws every day, mobiles in cars, speeding, age for drinking, drugs..

Could there 2 stupid old men not just have gone elsewhere, its not like there was no where else?

And yet she took their money over the internet at the start, So entered a legally binding contract, bet if they had cancelled she would have still kept a portion of it as deposit.

If you run as business you have to abide by the law or suffer the consequences, admitted the abuse they have been receiving is not called for.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Mr Morgan said he and Mr Black, who live together in Brampton, Cambridgeshire, were considering suing not for money but 'for a principle'.

He added: 'She believes that her convictions are based on her Christian views - well all I can say is that it is very unfortunate that her views come into conflict with the law.'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j5pIcRCp


So when gay men moan on about marriage law and want it changed as it is against their beliefs that is somehow different?

You know you're really putting yourself acroos as some sort of Bigot LT. Defending those peoples actions and trying to put the blame on those men is so wrong and backward.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

You know you're really putting yourself acroos as some sort of Bigot LT. Defending those peoples actions and trying to put the blame on those men is so wrong and backward.

rather than have a go at me beacuse you just happen to disagree with my perspective, and don't forget I have never once said that I support what the couple did (this thread is about the abuse they have received) - perhaps you could tell me how the gay couple can suggest that the law is the law but on the same hand gay people can be outraged about other laws that they dont agree with. why are some laws applicable and some not?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

rather than have a go at me beacuse you just happen to disagree with my perspective, and don't forget I have never once said that I support what the couple did (this thread is about the abuse they have received) - perhaps you could tell me how the gay couple can suggest that the law is the law but on the same hand gay people can be outraged about other laws that they dont agree with. why are some laws applicable and some not?

All laws are applicable, some laws are out dated and need to be reviewed.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Mr Morgan said he and Mr Black, who live together in Brampton, Cambridgeshire, were considering suing not for money but 'for a principle'.

He added: 'She believes that her convictions are based on her Christian views - well all I can say is that it is very unfortunate that her views come into conflict with the law.'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j5pIcRCp


So when gay men moan on about marriage law and want it changed as it is against their beliefs that is somehow different?

Got to love it really, Christian views my backside(excuse the pun) where in the New Testament does Jesus the Christ condemn or in any other way actively disapprove of homosexuality?

Isnt it fair to say that the anti homosexual view is from two sources, the Old Testament and Pauline epistles?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

All laws are applicable, some laws are out dated and need to be reviewed.

there is a law that states that business owners can turn away customers if they have a good reason to do so (shopkeepers use this a lot for dodgy customers etc). The couple here will use this defence.

picking and choosing laws based on your own personal worldview is not a great look for anyone

[setanta]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is a law that states that business owners can turn away customers if they have a good reason to do so (shopkeepers use this a lot for dodgy customers etc). The couple here will use this defence.

picking and choosing laws based on your own personal worldview is not a great look for anyone

Seriously LT, what are you talking about? They had no valid reason to turn them away.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is a law that states that business owners can turn away customers if they have a good reason to do so (shopkeepers use this a lot for dodgy customers etc). The couple here will use this defence.

picking and choosing laws based on your own personal worldview is not a great look for anyone

Who is picking and choosing laws LT? There's a difference between breaking a law and not agreeing with a law you know, like for example, I don't agree that I should have to pay road tax when the roads are so sh1t but I still do it anyway because they would take my car other wise.

[Tom4784]

They deserve hate but not to that level, it victimises them and they don't deserve to be seen as the victims. They didn't really have any right to turn them away when the couple had booked the room previously, I do hope they get sued as religion is no excuse for bigotry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Got to love it really, Christian views my backside(excuse the pun) where in the New Testament does Jesus the Christ condemn or in any other way actively disapprove of homosexuality?

Isnt it not fair to say that the anti homosexual view is from two sources, the Old Testament and Pauline epistles?

They do not state where their views stem from. Dont forget that the biggest crisis Christianity faces today is not secularism but Biblical ignorance from Christians.

I would imagine they could refer to Romans 1: 26-27. The Biblical view is that homosexuality is contrary to what God intended - contrary to nature when God made men and women with physical bodies that have a natural way of interacting with one and other. Paul follows the OT tradition and sees the act as sinful.

Christians the world over agree with "love the person and not the act" and so do most blokes if truth be told.

The couple have misused the Bible in my view.