[karezza]

I think Big Brother want her out - she is a poisonous influence on Scabby.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand the concept of a national anthem, although I think you're dragging it a little far there. But she shouldn't have had an exception made for her with the shirt unless they'd afforded the same privilege to John James. It was only a bit of fun, no one was asking her to make a political comment...

I sure as 'ell wouldn't have sung the English National Anthem or worn an Engerland strip. Nothing fun in oppressing others of a different nationality

[tmx]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand the concept of a national anthem, although I think you're dragging it a little far there. But she shouldn't have had an exception made for her with the shirt unless they'd afforded the same privilege to John James. It was only a bit of fun, no one was asking her to make a political comment...

Umm, they did offer JJ the Australian kit, but he said he supported England (he has a dual nationality)

Dave had the Welsh kit (it just happens to also be red)

So she didn't have an exception made for her, all the non-English housemates had the choice to wear the English kit or that of their own country

[brian3]

Originally Posted by Locke.

And she didn't sing the national anthem because she was Irish aswell, but Dave still sang it even though he is Welsh. They should have just locked the useless bitch in the house.

because in Ireland God save the queen in part of bigotry and violence

[Iceman]

She wore an Irish shirt because she's Irish.
She didn't sing the National Anthem because she's Irish.
She had the option to wear the English shirt but she didn't because she's Irish.

I dont see what the debate is about???

[KKBL]

She didn't know the bloody words for **** sake. No need to make a big deal out of nothing.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Iceman

She wore an Irish shirt because she's Irish.
She didn't sing the National Anthem because she's Irish.
She had the option to wear the English shirt but she didn't because she's Irish.

I dont see what the debate is about???

A bit simple to understand wasn't it!!!!!!

[Big Brother Fan]

Why would she even know the anthem????

[Livia]

Originally Posted by brian3

because in Ireland God save the queen in part of bigotry and violence

You're right, God Save The Queen is associated with bigotry and violence in Ireland. In England, 'Fields of Athenry' is considered to be a rebel song. Yet Caoimhe sat in the garden - in England - and sang it despite the fact Steve was in the house, missing his legs because of an IRA bomb. So for Gawd sake let's not upset Caoimhe by asking her to wear an England shirt... but let her sing her rebel song and no one is to be offended.

[AngelChair]

The Fields of Athenry is not a rebel song, its an Irish folk ballad!

Jeez if you heard the rebel songs you'd know it!!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're right, God Save The Queen is associated with bigotry and violence in Ireland. In England, 'Fields of Athenry' is considered to be a rebel song. Yet Caoimhe sat in the garden - in England - and sang it despite the fact Steve was in the house, missing his legs because of an IRA bomb. So for Gawd sake let's not upset Caoimhe by asking her to wear an England shirt... but let her sing her rebel song and no one is to be offended.

Hey pal, come to Celtic Park or Ibrox. Ireland may be at peace for the moment but the war rages on in Scotland over Sectarianism.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AngelChair

The Fields of Athenry is not a rebel song, its an Irish folk ballad!

Jeez if you heard the rebel songs you'd know it!!

So, Fields of Athenry doesn't have any connection with republicans? Really?

Okaaaaay...

[Deirdre]

Why wasn't JJ wearing the Aussie kit?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Hey pal, come to Celtic Park or Ibrox. Ireland may be at peace for the moment but the war rages on in Scotland over Sectarianism.

I know that, Claymores. I lived in Glasgow.

['Conor]

she had every right not to sing the national anthem! and maybe she didnt no the words, im from ireland and i dont no the words to the english national anthem

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Deirdre

Why wasn't JJ wearing the Aussie kit?

He does have a UK passport cos of his parents and could play for Engerland if he was any good at fitba!

[AngelChair]

Originally Posted by Livia

So, Fields of Athenry doesn't have any connection with republicans? Really?

Okaaaaay...

What point are you trying to make? That people who have love for their homeland country and its accurate history are just trying to be awkward, thats ridiculous..... you are coming off as a very unintelligent person.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know that, Claymores. I lived in Glasgow.

OK - so I don't get why you are miffed a non-Englander wouldn't wear the Engerlish National shirt or sing the Engerlish National anthem

As said above, I bluddy wouldn't have.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AngelChair

What point are you trying to make? That people who have love for their homeland country and its accurate history are just trying to be awkward, thats ridiculous..... you are coming off as a very unintelligent person.

AngelChair, I like you. We should probably stop debating this. For clarity I'll just say this then drop off this thread: That song, or a version of it, has connotations with British people who suffered thought the Troubles. I have no problem at all with Irish people and if they want to sing that song at home all day long then that's just fine with me. I just thought it was a little naive and unthinking of her to sing it there, with Steve being around.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Claymores

OK - so I don't get why you are miffed a non-Englander wouldn't wear the Engerlish National shirt or sing the Engerlish National anthem

As said above, I bluddy wouldn't have.

It's the whole you, me, them, us thing. The UK is so divided it takes a bloody war to join us all up.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know that, Claymores. I lived in Glasgow.

Sectarianism in Scottish football terms is also a misnomer for Unionism. It was a fooball task (4-1 bye the way when Germany decided not to rub it in more by putting their 2nd team on in a triple substitution) Hence Rangers fans fly the Union Jack and sing God Save the Queen.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Sectarianism in Scottish football terms is also a misnomer for Unionism. It was a fooball task (4-1 bye the way when Germany decided not to rub it in more by putting their 2nd team on in a triple substitution) Hence Rangers fans fly the Union Jack and sing God Save the Queen.

While the Scottish team watched the whole tournament from the comfort of their own homes, as usual :-)

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by AngelChair

What point are you trying to make? That people who have love for their homeland country and its accurate history are just trying to be awkward, thats ridiculous..... you are coming off as a very unintelligent person.

Good post

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Livia

While the Scottish team watched the whole tournament from the comfort of their own homes, as usual :-)

Is that even a clever put down???? We sing "We're sh1te and we know we are" at matches. Engerlish media told me Engerland were gonna win the World Cup. not once, not twice - 3 billion times.

[brian3]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're right, God Save The Queen is associated with bigotry and violence in Ireland. In England, 'Fields of Athenry' is considered to be a rebel song. Yet Caoimhe sat in the garden - in England - and sang it despite the fact Steve was in the house, missing his legs because of an IRA bomb. So for Gawd sake let's not upset Caoimhe by asking her to wear an England shirt... but let her sing her rebel song and no one is to be offended.

I agree 2 wrongs dont make a right. You also have to take into accout the reaction of the Irsh press if she had done that. She would have been lynched

In any case. It's the British big brother. Not the English big brother. The whole task was rubbish. I dought they would have done the same if Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland where playing.