[Peter Plunker]

A phobia is an irrational fear of something. I don't think Dave fears homosexuals. It's just a term that has been banded about for a few years for anyone that voices disapproval with homosexuality. It's a term designed to put people on a guilt trip.

[fingers]

In any case he doesn't read the Old Testament, he picks and chooses what to read (the gospels) so he is not a pukka Christian, in fact he is simply a New Ecstatic cultist!

Same as his mate and apologist Pete Plonker.

[Blueisthecolour]

Originally Posted by vesavius

despite our efforts to muddy the waters because you have no counter point;

But I don't need a counter point because I have one opinion and you have another. Neither of us knows who is right or wrong, the difference is that I accept that but you can't.

What is a bit pathetic is to have an opinion but insist that it is a fact just because you've convinced yourself that it is.

I was just trying to point out that you appear to be confusing fact and opinion.

When you say that clearly Dave is homophobic and it has been proven that he is and that all religious people must be homophobes...you're wrong.

You may have those opinions, that's your right. But it doesn't make you right in a factual way.

[arista]

Dave is a Bible nutter
so of course he avoids Gays.

[Sticks]

According to Biblical injunctions in both Old and New Testaments, homosexual acts are regarded as sinful, as such if Dave is a Christian then he is not able to endorse such a lifestyle any more than he could endorse the lifestyle of someone who engages in prostitution or someone who carries all sorts of dodges to avoid paying their taxes.

True homophobia would include such things as physical assault or threatening behaviour and spreading falsehoods about the targeted individual. Those activities would also not be endorsed by scripture.

I am not aware of Dave engaging in such activities towards Mario

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by simonsays

when they were in the nest and ben said he didnt know why mario was always being stroppy with him dave said it was because he kept rejecting his advances and he needs to keep doing that... is that homophobic?

homophobia
noun
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people

So thats yes he is, and no he aint depending what you believe constitutes extreme and irrational.

If Dave wants to believe that being gay is irrational, then i will support him, even though i don't like him.

We shouldn't persecute people for having an opinion that is meant in a harmless way.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

But I don't need a counter point because I have one opinion and you have another... all religious people must be homophobes...you're wrong.
You may have those opinions, that's your right. But it doesn't make you right in a factual way.

I never said all religious people are homophobes. You cleary didnt understand what i said and that clearly explains why you failed to come up with a counter argument, instead resorting to editing my statement to say something else.


Are you really tell me that supported opinions shouldnt be debated? That they shouldnt be challanged and that every opinion (no matter how ill informed or groundless it happens to be) is valid as the next?

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality.

Well that is easy to say but difficult to prove.

I am totally against abortion at any stage. Does that mean I hate a woman who has had an abortion. Absolutely not.

It is possible to separate the two things.

Exactly why should people be labelled as being any kind of phobic because we do not agree with something.
I have never agreed with the persecution of homosexuals. But I do object to the way society is now going after people who still believe that it was not meant to be. Where would the population be without heterosexuals.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

According to Biblical injunctions in both Old and New Testaments, homosexual acts are regarded as sinful, as such if Dave is a Christian then he is not able to endorse such a lifestyle any more than he could endorse the lifestyle of someone who engages in prostitution or someone who carries all sorts of dodges to avoid paying their taxes.

True homophobia would include such things as physical assault or threatening behaviour and spreading falsehoods about the targeted individual. Those activities would also not be endorsed by scripture.

I am not aware of Dave engaging in such activities towards Mario

Absolutely correct. Dave has never said one bad word against Mario. I cannot understand why people cannot see it is just as bad attacking Dave for being a Christian as someone attacking Mario for his sexual preference.
My wonder is why cannot Mario take no for an answer. Surely Dave would be giving the same advice if it was a girl persuing Ben if Ben did not like her.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Sticks

True homophobia would include such things as physical assault or threatening behaviour and spreading falsehoods about the targeted individual. Those activities would also not be endorsed by scripture.

I am not aware of Dave engaging in such activities towards Mario

No, not at all.

There are many many passive homophobes, just are there are many many passive racists. Neither threatening behaviour or violence defines homophobia.

Hate and fear is very often hidden beneath a calm smiling face.

Spreading 'falsehood' could easily be telling gays they won't get into heaven, because the bible says their actions are wrong, and are therefore, by implication, damned.

[Frank E]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

That's a central tenet of xianity.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality.

That's perceived and is nonsense.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Dave is one of those "Love the sinner but hate the sin" Christians.

Actually, deep down, they hate the sinner too. Usually because of unresolved issues around their own sexuality.

Oh please - now Dave is a secret homosexual! Give us strength ...!

[eye sea]

Who cares if he's homophobic.

[EzzaB]

No i dont thinki Dave is a homophobe , just a very confused person lmao