[SoBig]

I have to go with Russell Hantz.


No one ever dominated the games like he did. The only reason he didn't win the show twice was because both Survivor casts didn't like him for how cut throat he was. They couldn't deal with the fact that he controlled all of them like they were his puppets. Its a shame really.

[LemonJam]

If we're counting the Social game aspect of it, from what I've seen I'd say Parvarti.

Not counting the social part of the game, has to be Russell.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

If we're counting the Social game aspect of it, from what I've seen I'd say Parvarti.

Not counting the social part of the game, has to be Russell.

The Parvati and Russell duo in Heroes Vs Villans was crazy unstoppable. They just dominated the game. Wasn't fair at all.

[BBfanUSA]

Wait Who Won Survivor Twice? Sandra? I know she just got it because the Jury hated the other 1 or 2 people in the final vote But She WON Survivor Twice

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

Wait Who Won Survivor Twice? Sandra? I know she just got it because the Jury hated the other 1 or 2 people in the final vote But She WON Survivor Twice

And didn't deserve to win it either time. NO ONE considers her to be the greatest Survivor player ever. NO ONE

The jury were bitter both times in the seasons Russell lost. It would be like Will Kirby not winning big brother 2 because everyone hated him.

[Wildcat!]

Sandra as the least deserving winner ever, in H vs V. Russell deserved to win the first time around, hands down. He carried that girl whats her face. The second time, Parvati shouldve won. The jury was just salty.

In any rate, I always thought the best ever player was Yul, in the season where they had 4 ethnics tribes. He was amazing. But my favorite survivor players though, and neither one ever won, are Ozzy and Cirie!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

And didn't deserve to win it either time. NO ONE considers her to be the greatest Survivor player ever. NO ONE

The jury were bitter both times in the seasons Russell lost. It would be like Will Kirby not winning big brother 2 because everyone hated him.

I do. Because she is... Seriously, people who think Russell is the best player ever clearly A) haven't been watching the show long and B) do not know how Survivor works.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Sandra as the least deserving winner ever, in H vs V. Russell deserved to win the first time around, hands down. He carried that girl whats her face. The second time, Parvati shouldve won. The jury was just salty.

In any rate, I always thought the best ever player was Yul, in the season where they had 4 ethnics tribes. He was amazing. But my favorite survivor players though, and neither one ever won, are Ozzy and Cirie!

Sandra is definitely not the least deserving winner in HvV, that certainly goes to Bob. Russell did not deserve to win the first time around, Natalie did. Her game was really amazing, executed just about perfectly. It's a shame how underrated she is. She saw right away that Russell was a walking goat and used him for what he was worth. And Parvati did not deserve the HvV win, Sandra did again.

Yul did play a good game, but the questionable rigging in Cook Islands is a turn off.

[Captain.Remy]

Russell & Parvati. Obviously.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Sandra is definitely not the least deserving winner in HvV, that certainly goes to Bob. Russell did not deserve to win the first time around, Natalie did. Her game was really amazing, executed just about perfectly. It's a shame how underrated she is. She saw right away that Russell was a walking goat and used him for what he was worth. And Parvati did not deserve the HvV win, Sandra did again.

Yul did play a good game, but the questionable rigging in Cook Islands is a turn off.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Russell & Parvati. Obviously.

No doubt.

In exactly that order too.

[Lee.]

What is Survivor? This is the 2nd time I have seen it mentioned this morning? Worth watching? When and where is it on?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Seriously you really don't know how Survivor works if you think Russell of all people is the best player ever. He isn't even in the top 100 IMO.

[Gemmachi]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I think troy has greatly over exaggerated Natalie's game, but she did play the perfect game for her season. Had she played more aggressively she probably wouldn't have won. You may not respect a player like her, but she realized one thing that Russell still doesn't comprehend. The jurors aren't robots... they're people. They have feelings and can be bitter and hurt by their eliminations. This has been the case in EVERY season in survivor. But never before has a finalist been so unconcerned with the jurors as Russell. That's why he's not the best player ever, and it's why he hasn't won. To be one of the best players, you need to make the jurors think you care about them on a personal level, even if you don't. You have to play to their emotional side. You can't expect them to vote solely based on who played the most aggressively, that's not realistic.

If Russell was a great player, he would have been nice to the Galus. He would've had personal talks with them. He would've told them how much he admired them at the FTC. He would've complimented the leaders like Erik and Laura. Natalie became their friend which is why she got their votes.

Same thing in HvV. You forget that they edit out a lot. Sandra has said in interviews that at the merged tribe camp, Russell and Parvati would constantly take out JT's letter and laugh about how stupid he was in front of the other heroes. You can't treat people poorly and then expect them to want to give you a million dollars. Russell doesn't get that after losing twice, which makes him slightly socially inept.

[ILoveTRW]

How is Russell the best player ever? becuase the producers put idols where they knew he would find them?

[Macie Lightfoot]

And nobody has anything to say to me cause y'all know I'm right, what a surprise

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Seriously you really don't know how Survivor works if you think Russell of all people is the best player ever. He isn't even in the top 100 IMO.

To be fair, he must be good to reach final 3 twice...

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

To be fair, he must be good to reach final 3 twice...

Getting 2/18 Jury votes though is that pathetic part. There are many players who haven't made it as far as he has that I consider better (Elisabeth Filarski, Teresa Cooper, Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien, Ami Cusack, Julie Berry, Stephenie LaGrossa, Yau Man Chan, Peih-Gee Law, Ken Hoang, and Brett Clouser just to name a few.)

[GypsyGoth]

Russell is so good at the game the others hate him for it.


Also they are making the idols harder to find this season because of what they call the 'Russell-Factor'

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Russell is so good at the game the others hate him for it.

First of all, Russell isn't even good at the game. If he was good, he would've actually gotten more than 2 votes in a single Final Tribal Council. And nobody hates him because he's good at the game, because he isn't. Everyone hates him because he's an arrogant douchebag to everyone and that's why Natalie and Sandra won. Russell doesn't get that these are real people he's playing with so there's obviously a social aspect. While he just sees everyone as a pawn, Natalie and Sandra saw them as people and made friends with them because they knew that alone would get a lot of votes against someone like Russell. Nobody's going to like someone who burns socks and dumps water from his own tribe, because there isn't even a rational strategic reason behind weakening your own tribe, it's just retarded. If you really think Russell is that good at the game, then you really need to reevaluate yourself because Russell is in fact horrible. Russell may be aggressive and entertaining (for some) but that doesn't mean what he does is smart. In fact, the majority of moves he makes are completely stupid and just screw himself without even realizing it. Everyone compares Russell Hantz to Richard Hatch but there's one thing that Richard realized that Russell will never get: these are real people you're dealing with, people who have emotions and feelings. Richard Hatch strategized behind people's backs, but he wasn't a complete dick to everyone and pissed everyone off as "strategy" because that gets you nowhere, and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Russell will get to the finals almost every time he plays, but he will never, ever win the game because of his cockiness. The reason he'll make the finals every time is because he'll be taken to the end just to go up against for an easy Jury win. Natalie and Sandra saw that and that's how they got the job done, and that's why they are two of the best players in my opinion.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

First of all, Russell isn't even good at the game. If he was good, he would've actually gotten more than 2 votes in a single Final Tribal Council. And nobody hates him because he's good at the game, because he isn't. Everyone hates him because he's an arrogant douchebag to everyone and that's why Natalie and Sandra won. Russell doesn't get that these are real people he's playing with so there's obviously a social aspect. While he just sees everyone as a pawn, Natalie and Sandra saw them as people and made friends with them because they knew that alone would get a lot of votes against someone like Russell. Nobody's going to like someone who burns socks and dumps water from his own tribe, because there isn't even a rational strategic reason behind weakening your own tribe, it's just retarded. If you really think Russell is that good at the game, then you really need to reevaluate yourself because Russell is in fact horrible. Russell may be aggressive and entertaining (for some) but that doesn't mean what he does is smart. In fact, the majority of moves he makes are completely stupid and just screw himself without even realizing it. Everyone compares Russell Hantz to Richard Hatch but there's one thing that Richard realized that Russell will never get: these are real people you're dealing with, people who have emotions and feelings. Richard Hatch strategized behind people's backs, but he wasn't a complete dick to everyone and pissed everyone off as "strategy" because that gets you nowhere, and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Russell will get to the finals almost every time he plays, but he will never, ever win the game because of his cockiness. The reason he'll make the finals every time is because he'll be taken to the end just to go up against for an easy Jury win. Natalie and Sandra saw that and that's how they got the job done, and that's why they are two of the best players in my opinion.

I think you are letting your emotions cloud your evaluation of Russell.

[Tom5]

Russell Hantz

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think you are letting your emotions cloud your evaluation of Russell.

No I'm not. I know most of you are too stubborn to actually realize this, but the moves he makes are stupid. Instead of having this be some one-sided rant, how about you guys actually try to prove why he's such a good player? He's done too many stupid things (believing Rupert's rock was an Idol, not keeping his first Idol in Samoa a secret, wasting the Idol he found with Danielle's clue as soon as he found it, and voting Danielle off just to get started) that he can't possibly be the best player ever, especially when he's received 2 out of 18 Jury votes.

[Chilltown]

Troy = A person who, by default, hates on the Fan Favorite because they're the Fan Favorite.

The best Survivor player...probably Earl or Brian. But if you want to go statistically, it's Sandra. I don't believe that any Survivor winner is undeserving. You can play the game any way you like as long as you win. The rules aren't "You must be strategic, you must backstab, you must play everyone very well, you must win every competition." If you think that's it, then YOU don't know how Survivor works.

Is Russell the best player of all time? No. But he is definitely one of the better players that the game has seen.

Many internet Survivor fans hate Russell due to him being a producers favorite, therefore they overexagerate the gameplay Natalie had in Samoa - clouding their judgment on Russell's gameplay as a whole. His social game was obviously weak but he played very, very well strategically. He should have won Samoa, in my opinion, but deserved to get 0 votes in HvV.

Bottom line - don't try to reason with Troy. He already has his mind made up and is playing into what CBS wants....for you to hate (or love to hate) Russell Hantz. The reasoning may be different, but they still have accomplished the job they set out to do.

[SoBig]

Lets get this straight, Troy. No one takes Russell to the end, he takes them to the end. Everyone who got to the final 4 in Survivor, got there because Russell wanted them there. Not the other way around. Everyone who was evicted, was evicted, because Russell wanted them evicted. He had total control of the game. He only fell off a bit towards the end in Heroes Vs Villains when Parvarti came on strong. But from Start to finish he played the best overall game.

This is one of the best moments ever in Survivor history, Russell Vs Boston Rob and Crew. Boston Rob, didn't realise who the Fu******* he was messing with. The crazy thing is, Russell had SEVERAL plays just like that. Dude was just too dominant.

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