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Originally Posted by smartalec2718
I'm going to respond to the parts of your argument that actually make sense, and are relevant.
1) Please explain exactly how and why the BB2 jury was more angry at Nicole than Will, because I definitely don't agree with that assessment.
2) The BB7 jury "not liking Erika" was not because she was fake, it was because she floated. She didn't do anything wrong to anyone, but she never made any big game moves. Mike did, and though that resulted in several evictions, jurors were able to put aside their anger at Chilltown and vote for Mike, who was the deserving winner, though they could have had every right to vote for Erika out of bitterness because they were angry at being played by Chilltown.
3) In BB10, Renny and Keesha may very well have been bitter towards Memphis, but that doesn't change the fact that the jury as a whole put aside its dislike for Dan as a person (and I'm really just talking about April, Michelle, Ollie, and Jerry) and chose to reward him for his gameplay, which was strategically sound but responsible for quite a few evictions. So this argument doesn't make sense.
4) While I understand and see why you believe that if you did win, you deserve to win, you can't honestly think that Lisa played a better game end-to-end than Danielle did. She was nice, and didn't piss anyone off. Those were the only things she did better than Danielle. Besides, the show's producers agree with the bitter jury argument, and how do we know this? Because they created the jury concept the very next season!
5) You seem to be saying that a good player will foresee the emotions other HG's will experience upon eviction and will know how to play off those emotions to come out looking good in that HG's eyes. While that holds true for some winners (Dan especially), neither Lisa nor Jun was strong in that regard - it definitely doesn't hold true universally for all winners.
6) I'm not upset that Alison and Danielle didn't win, but I believe they should have won because I believe they had better gameplay than their F2 opponents.
7) And finally, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about any of the other juries being bitter, and I don't believe that any one of the runner-ups you mentioned was "robbed." I think Ryan would have been a more deserving winner than Adam in BB9, and I think Daniele and Dick were equally deserving of the win in BB8, but for the most part I think juries have been pretty good about awarding the top prize to the right person over the years.
So yeah, there's no need to be all condescending and 100% positive that your viewpoint is the one and only correct one. Nor is there any need for you to invent pieces of my argument and then put words in my mouth.
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No, what you're doing is responding to the parts of my argument that you think you can fight against, and then just ignoring the points that you know are right, not the ones that don't make sense or are irrelevant.
1) How and why? Because Nicole pretended to be nice to all of them and then backstabbed them. If you don't agree with that assessment, you need to rewatch BB2 because Will's a charmer and Nicole's a snake. Nobody likes a snake, especially when they're up against someone who can charm their way out of almost any situation. Emotions matter.
2) Janelle doesn't like women and Howie and James just never really liked her. The only people who actually liked Erika were Danielle and Marcellas, and then Erika backstabbed Danielle. Who was Erika's one vote? Marcellas. Once again, emotions matter.
3) Jerry didn't dislike Dan as a person, he voted Dan because he was kind and said good morning to him everyday, alongside with the fact that he argued with Memphis all the time. Dan, like Will, is very charismatic and can talk his way out of just about any situation possible. He played to the Jury's emotions, and that's why he won. Yet again, emotions do matter.
4) Danielle was a better strategist but knowing that the Jury would watch the show, she should've monitored her DR sessions more than she did. No, the producers don't agree with the bitter Jury argument. If they agreed with it, then they'd get rid of the Jury all together. BB3 is a big anomaly because the Jurors weren't sequestered. If they were, Danielle would've won because of her social game. Fourth time, emotions matter.
5) Once again, BB3's an anomaly because Danielle would've won with a sequestered Jury. And Jun wanted to go the end with Alison because she knew Alison was hated more than she was, and was pretty much the only person she could win in the finale against. I think that's pretty good foresight. I'm not even saying that it holds universally true, so stop putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that if you can read emotions, you have a much better chance to win. That's pretty much a fact.
6) Alison and Danielle were good strategists and are masters at getting to the end. Once again, Danielle's case is an anomaly. Alison lost fairly because the Jury loathed her. Emotions matter in Big Brother, that's a fact. Jun understood this, and clearly you don't. Emotions are the main reason that a Jury votes for someone, so in that sense, every Jury is "bitter" and when people are pissed off that the so called "better player" lost, they just throw it on the Jury's bitterness, when it's just the loser's inability to read emotions.
7) No, I'm not putting words into your mouth because I'm not saying that you said that. I'm just illustrating my point, because every single Jury has voted based off emotions. Every single Jury will vote based off emotions. That's how it works. This is why you can't say that someone lost because of a bitter Jury. It's not the Jury's fault that they lost, they lost in their own right since they couldn't see the emotional side to the game. The bitter Jury argument is absolutely ridiculous and invalid.
I'm not being condescending about my viewpoint, I'm just giving you a much-needed education on how Big Brother works. I didn't invent any pieces of your argument, I just read your posts and pointed out your ignorance towards the game.
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