[arista]

Youtube video

[arista]

This Wrecked Police Van
has now been removed.
The Police Lady in Charge said it was not safe to go in and arrest them,
of course due to the Massive Daily Mail Photos
some of those thug students will be caught soon.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

"I really hate this stereotypical view of students that a few people have expressed in here: "



Sure Zee
but Live now on SkyNews is the Kettle of some students
Stuck.


So we can understand why now they are getting angry,
some are dancing though.

One Student Girl just shouted 'I Love you Mum'



The point is Clever Zee
What Now?

Students are not alone in this Hard Times.

I watched that video you linked me to; it's clear that some people are just there 'for a laugh', either to cause trouble or to just be involved in some kind of rebellious action - it's good that that girl had the courage to step in and stop them, it was very brave of her and at least shows the difference between students who are there for a reason and people who are there to cause havoc.

I'm not really sure what else you're asking though. Sure, financial hardships are occurring everywhere, but putting people off education is a ridiculous idea compared to, for example, withdrawing from armed conflict; because putting up tuition fees to go to university is going to increase the divide between the rich and the poor; the informed and the uninformed and would actually, I think, push Britain back into the direction of having a distinct class system again by virtue of the fact education is no longer available to all who want it.

[arista]

Sure Zee
But you must understand the Roots of these Charges - New Labour brought them in
then spent every penny.
Nick Clegg changed his view after viewing the mess New Labour left for the Conservative-LibDem power.

Everything changes
it has Worldwide , so it can not be stopped by attacking a empty Police Van.

As for your 'Future Divide' Vision
that is wrong as many poor students will get funding help.


And you bring up Class
Labour right now has a Oxford Toff Boy in charge


Life is not going the way
you have been banged on the Head With
whoever is behind you , that is.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zee

I watched that video you linked me to; it's clear that some people are just there 'for a laugh', either to cause trouble or to just be involved in some kind of rebellious action - it's good that that girl had the courage to step in and stop them, it was very brave of her and at least shows the difference between students who are there for a reason and people who are there to cause havoc.

I'm not really sure what else you're asking though. Sure, financial hardships are occurring everywhere, but putting people off education is a ridiculous idea compared to, for example, withdrawing from armed conflict; because putting up tuition fees to go to university is going to increase the divide between the rich and the poor; the informed and the uninformed and would actually, I think, push Britain back into the direction of having a distinct class system again by virtue of the fact education is no longer available to all who want it.

The withdrawal from Afghanistan is planned in fairness, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen overnight, it will inevitably be a slow and gradual process

[M X]

Me and my friends went down in Newcastle, but after a while just ended up walking around and went to Basement.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure Zee
But you must understand the Roots of these Charges - New Labour brought them in
then spent every penny.
Nick Clegg changed his view after viewing the mess New Labour left for the Conservative-LibDem power.

Everything changes
it has Worldwide , so it can not be stopped by attacking a empty Police Van.

As for your 'Future Divide' Vision
that is wrong as many poor students will get funding help.


And you bring up Class
Labour right now has a Oxford Toff Boy in charge


Life is not going the way
you have been banged on the Head With
whoever is behind you , that is.

Then why up the fees if "poor students will get funding help"? Those students will number few and far between. I'm not even going to be a student that's directly affected by these increases and I can see it's an unfair proposal.

As for the police van, I would bet money that the people attacking it weren't students, just vandals who saw an opportunity to cause chaos without facing consequences.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Then why up the fees if "poor students will get funding help"? Those students will number few and far between. I'm not even going to be a student that's directly affected by these increases and I can see it's an unfair proposal.

As for the police van, I would bet money that the people attacking it weren't students, just vandals who saw an opportunity to cause chaos without facing consequences.

They are Students
There names are in some Newspapers tomorrow


This one wants to be a SuperStar

[Z]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The withdrawal from Afghanistan is planned in fairness, but it's not the sort of thing that can happen overnight, it will inevitably be a slow and gradual process

Sure, but I was meaning more the fact that lots of money is spent on the UK essentially meddling in affairs that we don't have the right to, if we're so desperately needing money it seems to me that the logical thing would be to halt all non-essential activities (such as being in Afghanistan and Iraq) before resorting to increases like the proposed student fee one - whilst it's still unfair on students to have to pay significantly more for the same service, at least the government would have taken measures to try and prevent it getting to that stage. This proposed increase just seems grossly unfair because there's been no apparent effort to save money in other, less essential areas.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

They are Students
There names are in some Newspapers tomorrow


This one wants to be a SuperStar

Really? Because to me, it looks like some people are covering up their distinguishable features so they could turn up to a protest and turn it into a violent affair. Maybe they are students, but they're not students who are there to protest peacefully or achieve anything constructive, that's for sure.

[arista]

Zee that Evil Attack from a Roof on the Last Time Protest
was tracked as a Full Time Student
Fact.



Edward Woollard leaving Westminster Magistrates' Court today. He has admitted a charge of violent disorder after throwing a fire extinguisher from the roof of Millbank tower during the student protest

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz16E9ozWps

[arista]

Zee said "Maybe they are students, but they're not students who are there to protest peacefully or achieve anything constructive, that's for sure. "





His name will be posted on here soon.

They are Students that want something Worse than you.
And they Hijack the Event in London.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zee

Then why up the fees if "poor students will get funding help"? Those students will number few and far between. I'm not even going to be a student that's directly affected by these increases and I can see it's an unfair proposal.

As for the police van, I would bet money that the people attacking it weren't students, just vandals who saw an opportunity to cause chaos without facing consequences.

Because it will give the universities greater financial freedom and so that the UK's leading institutions can continue to provide the best service possible and compete with the best Unis worldwide.

As Arista has said poorer students will get financial support, and they wont have to start repaying the money until they're earning over Ł21,000 and it will be written off if it cannot be repayed after 30 years.

Hopefully, this wont be too much of a deterrent to those who do want to go to University. The average return on a degree is apparently Ł160,000 so the benefits will still far outweigh the cost for most people. I'm incredibly fortunate really, I'll be the last year who only has to pay Ł3,000 a year, although I dont think I'd be put off if I wasnt. Dont get me wrong, I do feel for the students who will be hit by this increase, but I dont think it is as unreasonable as it is being made out to be

[arista]

Zee
A Report and Live on Ch4 News now
had it all .
Even Student Thuggs


also Live on SkyNews Business Report with Jeff Randal.

[arista]

Hey look
a student that can Spell.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're right, not all students are lazy and feckless. However, a lot of them are. You've only got to read this forum and see the posts from people who either are students, or who are on their way to uni, to see that a vast amount of them can neither spell nor punctuate and they struggle to form a complete, coherent sentence. Some of them actually uphold that being able to write properly isn't important! I don't want my tax money keeping them in the Student Union Bar for the next three years.

You criticise the Tories and the LibDems in your post, but nowhere do I see you mention Labour, who introduced fees in the first place.

It may surprise you that I agree with a lot of what you say above. On a previous thread on this topic a few weeks ago,I hammered Labour's hypocrisy at its noises on this, since they did bring them in. I don't mention them in my post today because I consider Labour irrelevant and redundant on this issue.

My post also said the protests were against the Govt,but I added particularly the Lib Dems who fought for Students to support and help them in seats they were worried at losing, the Lib Dems were never going to be the outright govt,but they pledged to those who voted for them that they would 'never' support any increase.

I supported them but will never do so again or believe a word they say now,as for the Conservatives,well they said they would do this, so were true to their word, Students know we can only hope to maybe get a compromise from them but the anger of Students is mainly at Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems for deceiving Students and indeed other voters too as to what they would support and not support in Parliament.

In an election tomorrow I would likely vote Tory to get the Lib Dem out,but I won't be fooled by the Lib Dems again and would never vote for the other shower of a party.

[arista]

Nice Shoes Love

[billy123]

Should of turned the water cannons on the scum half of them look like they need a good wash!
That police van was apparently Ł80,000 of taxpayers money down the drain which will be nothing compared to the cost of the repair for the damage and the cleanup these selfish little scrotes arent happy even though their education is still being heavily subsidised by the tax payer and they are given interest free loans to pay for the courses that they dont have to pay back until they are earning a good wage.

Well guess what tough crap if you want something you have to be willing to contribute to it and not expect to be handed it on a plate.

[arista]

A Few Nasty Girls were there last night.



Rage of the girl rioters: Britain's students take to the streets again - and this time women are leading the charge

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz16HE6Rm00




And Zoe Williams (on the SkyNews Videos) Good Student is on
the Free Metro Front page

[arista]

BT is getting rid of many Phone Boxes
but a few are around and great help to Tourists.

This Thug Student was the Smashing each Window.

The Thug Students Hijacked the Event
and loads of Good Students wanted to know why they were
held for 10hours in the Kettle system.


Sadly the Thug Students that Hijacked the Event
got everyone in the Kettle.

Now the police have everyone of them on Photo Record
so they can find the Thug Students and take them to court.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Zee

I watched that video you linked me to; it's clear that some people are just there 'for a laugh', either to cause trouble or to just be involved in some kind of rebellious action - it's good that that girl had the courage to step in and stop them, it was very brave of her and at least shows the difference between students who are there for a reason and people who are there to cause havoc.

I'm not really sure what else you're asking though. Sure, financial hardships are occurring everywhere, but putting people off education is a ridiculous idea compared to, for example, withdrawing from armed conflict; because putting up tuition fees to go to university is going to increase the divide between the rich and the poor; the informed and the uninformed and would actually, I think, push Britain back into the direction of having a distinct class system again by virtue of the fact education is no longer available to all who want it.

Students are supposed to be bright enough to understand that the money has to come from somewhere - where exactly would they suggest it comes FROM? This government have inherited a bankrupt country in hock for the next generation or so. We are ALL suffering, not just the bloody students. And as for that old chestnut about how we are all going to benefit so wonderfully in the future from all these graduates, that only applies to those who are studying degrees that actually are useful and will contribute to society, and they are few and far between. Furthermore, they will, by virtue of having further education, end up earning far more than the average wage, so what on earth are they bleating on about? The safety net is already in place for those students in the most need - let the rest find a way of funding their CHOSEN lifestyle, ie a further 3-4 years of STUDYING whilst the rest of us have to struggle to survive in the real world.

As for the rioting, it achieves absolutely NOTHING other than alienate students from any public support or sympathy. Bully boy tactics do NOT work and never will. If a student wants to study THAT much I suggest they get themselves a part time job and do what the rest of us have to do every single day - earn a living.

[MTVN]

We were talking about the rioting in Petrogad during 1917 in History today and my teacher said that it wouldnt have been too disimilar to the scenes we saw yesterday

She then made a comment about the student riots being a political statement and someone rightly said "there's a difference between being political and being an idiot" and she went on to say that it was a way of standing up for what they believed in and getting their voices heard before going on to ask why none of us had done anything in protest to the fees (another local school had a walkout yesterday). I was pretty surprised to hear her essentially advocating violent protest, very unprofessional of her

[Z]

Originally Posted by angus58

Students are supposed to be bright enough to understand that the money has to come from somewhere - where exactly would they suggest it comes FROM? This government have inherited a bankrupt country in hock for the next generation or so. We are ALL suffering, not just the bloody students. And as for that old chestnut about how we are all going to benefit so wonderfully in the future from all these graduates, that only applies to those who are studying degrees that actually are useful and will contribute to society, and they are few and far between. Furthermore, they will, by virtue of having further education, end up earning far more than the average wage, so what on earth are they bleating on about? The safety net is already in place for those students in the most need - let the rest find a way of funding their CHOSEN lifestyle, ie a further 3-4 years of STUDYING whilst the rest of us have to struggle to survive in the real world.

As for the rioting, it achieves absolutely NOTHING other than alienate students from any public support or sympathy. Bully boy tactics do NOT work and never will. If a student wants to study THAT much I suggest they get themselves a part time job and do what the rest of us have to do every single day - earn a living.

How condescending. Firstly, the protests are in part an angry reaction be being deceived by the Liberal Democrats who did a complete U-Turn on one of their manifesto promises; and considering that many students voted for the Lib Dems based on that promise, they've alienated their student support. Nobody is claiming that students are the only demographic of this country that are suffering; on the contrary the issue at hand is that these proposed changes are going to cause students to suffer more than they currently do - hence the riots. Your attitude towards students comes across as completely stereotypical and filled with hatred; so I'd like to explain my own situation in the hope that you'll stop and think for a minute that we're not all scrounging off the government and deserve to be penalised heavily for wanting to pursue academia.

I do not have a student loan and I have a part time job. I am a Scottish student, so my tuition fees are paid for by the government so long as I apply for them to be paid for before the academic year begins. That is the only aspect of my education that is paid for by somebody other than myself/my family; as a knock on effect of English universities raising their fees, many English school leavers hoping to go on to university will look to going places further afield: Scotland's significantly cheaper fees will attract lots more English students; making competition for places more difficult and disappointing students whose grades aren't good enough. What comes across in your post to me is that you're rolling your eyes at the idea of further education and think it's a waste of time - that's your opinion, but the fact remains that thousands of people of all different ages and backgrounds go to university to study each year and need some kind of financial support. Do your views apply to a single mother who is struggling to find employment so has gone to university as a mature student to get a good degree to aid her attempts to find a job? That's just an example of one type of person who isn't the 'typical student' that you seem to loathe.

There is no guarantee that someone who studies for a degree will get a well paid job - the job market is extremely competitive, a degree is no guarantee of employment. Being massively in debt (due to these proposed increases) and being unable to get a job because your CV still doesn't stand out from the crowd despite earning a degree, does that sound like an attractive prospect to you? In fact, it's a similar position to "the rest of us" who "have to struggle to survive in the real world" that you talked about in your post. We're all financially setback; if anything you're being prejudiced against students because of some preconceived stereotype that all students are lazy and just sit around getting drunk and doing nothing with their lives and then being handed a fantastic job - that's not the real world and I would have thought you of all people would know that, you're an intelligent poster!

I do agree with you about the rioting though - I firmly believe that the people causing trouble were, for the most part, hooligans who were there to cause trouble, and not students who were there to support the protest. Scenes like those captured in the media are just ridiculous displays of anti social behaviour and, you're spot on, do absolutely nothing to change anyone's mind about anything; instead it will only set people firmly against students. I really hope you read my post and at least concede that we're not all scroungers and wasters, some of us are here to learn and achieve something without being a burden on others.

[arista]

"Liberal Democrats who did a complete U-Turn on one of their manifesto promises; and considering that many students voted for the Lib Dems"


ZEE
you are wrong that manifesto is not in Power
a New Joint Manifesto is Conservative -Lib Dem Joint Policy is.


So anything Promised before they came into joint power - Of Course is not valid
They are in Joint Power.


Stop being silly.