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19-12-2010, 12:13 AM | #51 | |||
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I've tried all drugs to the point of over indulgence over many years , but don't touch them at all now....i think cannabis should be legalized and licensed and the tax should go into rehabs for people with other drug problems. In fact if you legalized all drugs it would massively undermine the criminals power. I like that idea
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19-12-2010, 02:41 PM | #52 | |||
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19-12-2010, 05:25 PM | #53 | |||
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Drugs are for the weak minded.
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19-12-2010, 05:37 PM | #54 | |||
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Do you include alcohol/cigarettes in that statement Zippy?
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19-12-2010, 05:43 PM | #55 | |||
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Don't see the point of it, but if someone likes it, I'm not going to judge.
Only smoked weed a couple of times, but that's it.
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19-12-2010, 05:44 PM | #56 | |||
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well to some degree. I mean, most people start off on them through peer pressure or a great need to seem cool or mature. The strong minded who know themselves and don't feel any need to impress will just do their own thing.
But with cigs and booze they can start off pretty young so I guess its more forgivable as they are impressionable and easily led. But more hardcore drugs taken with direct intent to alter your mindset, yeah, weak minded. Music and good company have always been enough to give me a great night out. |
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19-12-2010, 05:52 PM | #57 | |||
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I used to smoke, but I quit 7 years ago. Others my age are smoking 40+ per day and finding it impossible to quit. I used to do drugs, but I haven't done them since I was 19/20. I don't consider myself weak minded, or a follower. I didn't do them to impress anyone. I did them because I wanted to. And you could argue that I was young and impressionable, but I think you are wrong to say I was/am weak-minded, because that is one thing I am certainly not. I don't think there is any difference between drugs, alcohol or cigarettes. All of them ought to be legal. There will always be people who over-indulge, but there will be more who do not. Anti-drugs campaigners need to get off their high-horse, especially ones who drink and/or smoke. I fail to see how anyone can take the moral high ground when they are indulging in their own brand of legal high.
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19-12-2010, 06:15 PM | #58 | |||
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If we were starting from scratch I think there is a case to be made that they are equal. But cigs and alcohol have been an acceptable part of our culture for centuries. Industries have been built on them. They are an integral part of society. It's just not realistic to now class them as first class drugs and make them illegal. But that doesnt mean we should now make more hardcore drugs as available and acceptable. Thats backwards logic. Last edited by Zippy; 19-12-2010 at 06:16 PM. |
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19-12-2010, 06:36 PM | #59 | |||
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Drugs should never be legalised, and as for alcohol the age limit should be raised to 21 years old. Cigarettes are already "illegal" in the sense that smokers can no longer smoke in most public places which protects non smokers from having to breathe in their obnoxious and potentially lethal smoke. Who is going to protect the public from irresponsible alcoholics/binge drinkers and drug users, especially those who get into a lethal weapon and kill people on the roads, or those that can't handle the stimuli and get violent and aggressive? People who use drugs or drink and drive should have the full weight of the law thrown at them if they're caught - absolutely zero tolerance.
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19-12-2010, 07:49 PM | #60 | |||
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Do people really believe the only reason anyone has ever popped a pill is so everyone noticed how cool they were or because they cannot have a good enough time without it? Jesus H. It's 2010, kids.
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19-12-2010, 08:41 PM | #61 | |||
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I just think it's unfortunate that we live in a culture that is so blase and bored with life, that people need narcotics to make it seem more interesting or at least make us feel sensations we would otherwise have no access to. The extent to which Brits drink alcohol like water suggests an awful lot of lives one would rather escape from.
Not that I would ban people from having the option. Prohibition of alcohol resulted in mass organised crime in the United States, just as banning cannabis, cocaine and ecstasy results the underground sale of recreational drugs today.
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19-12-2010, 09:10 PM | #62 | |||
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I find your comments about addicts being pathetic and useless to society a bit hurtful. actually many addicts hold responsible jobs and also have contributed a great deal to society, including many great philosophers artists, politicians etc. although i respect your right to have an opinion I'd like to gently encourage you to consider that addicts are individuals who all have different stories. I'll give you an example. A close friend of mine who was generally considered to be one of the most thoughtful kind and considerate people and loved by many was an addict, he fought hard against his problems and managed to achieve considerable lengths of time clean but had various issues , which i wont go into out of respect for his privacy . sadly he relapsed and died, but the world was a better place because of his life, addict or not. addicts can include all kinds of people from sweet old ladies to children who all have their own stories and reasons for the situation they end up in. The stereotype of dangerous young criminals is just a part of the story. I wouldn't normally respond so emphatically to someone elses opinion which after all is not really any of my business, but i just wanted to ask you to be a little more open minded. |
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19-12-2010, 09:12 PM | #63 | |||
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My attitude towards drugs is that they should remain banned. They degrade people's mental and physical health. I understand that one reason for drugs to be legalised is because they are under the control of criminal gangs but I don't think that mind altering substances should be distributed freely by the government.
However I do kinda think that less dangerous drugs such as weed should be legalised as I saw on TV in Holland how everybody there just treats weed as they would in countries where it is illegal. But drugs like ecstasy, meth and heroin should remain strictly banned. I think the government should help those taking drugs more so they can ween themselves away from them. I've seen the effects of drugs first hand on my brother and I think its awful.
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19-12-2010, 09:18 PM | #64 | |||
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How many people die a year from Ecstacy? Three? Four? How many people get sick from contaminated pills? How many familys are destroyed by harsh sentences handed down for people dancing like a tit for a few hours? It's just another case where the law against the substance causes more harm than the substance itself. It doesn't take a math major.
The governments leading scientific adviser on drugs - Prof. David Nutt - published a report detailing deadpan how horse riding was a far more dangerous pastime. He was sacked, of course. Last edited by Stu; 19-12-2010 at 09:20 PM. |
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19-12-2010, 09:25 PM | #65 | |||
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It's all very well you bringing sweet old ladies and innocent children into the mix but these are far more likely to be abused children or medical drug addictions. I'm referring to adults who choose to take drugs for recreational use. Lets be clear about that otherwise we're covering a huge minefield of issues. |
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19-12-2010, 09:27 PM | #66 | |||
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19-12-2010, 09:34 PM | #67 | |||
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I dunno, if a government took charge of drugs and made them safe then I'd support it but I can't see that happening.
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19-12-2010, 09:41 PM | #68 | |||
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19-12-2010, 10:05 PM | #69 | |||
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19-12-2010, 10:09 PM | #70 | |||
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Just because Alcohol has been legal for all this time doesn't make it better than illegal drugs. I'm not suggesting alcohol be made illegal, even though I hold strong feelings about it.
It seems the main reason most drugs are still illegal has more to do with governments aiming to please the people who sip their alcohol and sit in judgement about drug use.
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19-12-2010, 10:24 PM | #71 | |||
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19-12-2010, 10:41 PM | #72 | |||
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and Im not interested in having credibility. Im not an expert on drugs...neither are you. I came into this thread stating that I generally see drug users as weak minded. I stand by that but understand there are exceptional cases. Beyond thinking theyre weak minded I cast no great judgement on them. Everybody knows recreational drugs can lead you to a bad place. If you choose to take that route then you have made your bed. Again, Im not referring to medication drugs. |
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19-12-2010, 10:58 PM | #73 | ||
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But in fairness, you can't ignore medication drugs.... many people are not prescribed them... but plenty take them / procure them for 'recreational' purposes as a choice. Not through necessity of needing them for medical reasons, so I don't think you can dismiss that aspect. |
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19-12-2010, 11:03 PM | #74 | |||
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19-12-2010, 11:05 PM | #75 | |||
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Meh.. luckily enough it's something that I've never experienced in life or had around me in my family.
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