[Scarlett.]

Just watching this...and WOW how small minded are some of the foreign people on it

"Too many black people here" and "English girls are like Vicky Pollard"

and pretty much disrepectful about everything about this country. Aside from that, glad they showed some nicer people too.

[CaptMidnight]

I don't think they are being racist at all it is only natural to be shocked at the lack of white people. If you went to Africa and it was full of non-black people wouldn't it take you by surprise? Eastern Europe being poor doesn't have mass immigration and I doubt many have ever seen a black person before.

Most of them seemed very nice with the exception of that lad who likened English women to Vicky Pollard. >.<

The only real racism I saw were from white English.
"England is England so it should just be English"
"They do work hard but we should have kept them out"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Just watching this...and WOW how small minded are some of the foreign people on it

"Too many black people here" and "English girls are like Vicky Pollard"

and pretty much disrepectful about everything about this country. Aside from that, glad they showed some nicer people too.

They aren't being small minded - they are telling it how they see it.

In the 60's here in Scotland, it was highly unusual to see a black person and our feelings were similar - because it was something we'd never experienced before. Was he racist - not at all.

As for the Vicky Pollard comment - that lad was were spot on. far too many females ARE exactly like that these days. The lad was also bang on with the physical state of many younger women these days - overweight, out of shape and fat: and many have a vocabulary that's limited to that of an 9 year old child.

He did not say that his did not like the people, that they were horrible, rude, ignorant. He simply relayed a few home truths, the Vicky Pollard ccomment in particular.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They aren't being small minded - they are telling it how they see it.

In the 60's here in Scotland, it was highly unusual to see a black person and our feelings were similar - because it was something we'd never experienced before. Was he racist - not at all.

As for the Vicky Pollard comment - that lad was were spot on. far too many females ARE exactly like that these days. The lad was also bang on with the physical state of many younger women these days - overweight, out of shape and fat: and many have a vocabulary that's limited to that of an 9 year old child.

He did not say that his did not like the people, that they were horrible, rude, ignorant. He simply relayed a few home truths, the Vicky Pollard ccomment in particular.

So it's alright to go to another country and insult everyone on national TV? Also not all British girls are like Vicky Pollard, for some reason they all decided to go to London which is a mistake, they'd be more likely to find a job outside of the city.

By my original post I just generally meant this wasnt a particularly nice group of people. I don't mind immigration and cringe whenever I hear the "taking our jobs" ****e

[InOne]

Where can I watch this?

[Scarlett.]

On the iPlayer :]

[InOne]

Nice, will check it out later tonight.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

They aren't being small minded - they are telling it how they see it.

In the 60's here in Scotland, it was highly unusual to see a black person and our feelings were similar - because it was something we'd never experienced before. Was he racist - not at all.

As for the Vicky Pollard comment - that lad was were spot on. far too many females ARE exactly like that these days. The lad was also bang on with the physical state of many younger women these days - overweight, out of shape and fat: and many have a vocabulary that's limited to that of an 9 year old child.

He did not say that his did not like the people, that they were horrible, rude, ignorant. He simply relayed a few home truths, the Vicky Pollard ccomment in particular.

Saying there's a lot of black people is a little bit different to saying there's "too many black people", the first is an observation, the latter a narrow minded bigoted comment

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Chewy

So it's alright to go to another country and insult everyone on national TV? Also not all British girls are like Vicky Pollard, for some reason they all decided to go to London which is a mistake, they'd be more likely to find a job outside of the city.

By my original post I just generally meant this wasnt a particularly nice group of people. I don't mind immigration and cringe whenever I hear the "taking our jobs" ****e

No one insulted 'everyone'. They were putting over their opinion. I totally disgree with you re the Vicky Pollard comment - there are more chavs than ever before. I agree with the guy on that one..... and I'm UK born and bred.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Saying there's a lot of black people is a little bit different to saying there's "too many black people", the first is an observation, the latter a narrow minded bigoted comment

so what? In their opinion, there are too many black people.

Have you ever been to a country where the white man is in the minority - and I mean by that - that walking along a street, for every 50 blacks, there are 5 white people for example.

if you aren't used to that - it's bloody intimidating, it's unsettling, it's un-nerving. Not because they are black. The could be Chinese.... it is the fact that YOU are the one in the minority - and it is an alien concept, it's not an experience you are used to - and naturally, it feels uncomfy to many people intially.

Some people simply want to see bigotry and racism in anything - and they do - where there simply is none to be seen. tbh - those who do, are themselves (imo) - the real bigots, the real troublemakers. Not those that they are accusing.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

so what? In their opinion, there are too many black people.

Have you ever been to a country where the white man is in the minority - and I mean by that - that walking along a street, for every 50 blacks, there are 5 white people for example.

if you aren't used to that - it's bloody intimidating, it's unsettling, it's un-nerving. Not because they are black. The could be Chinese.... it is the fact that YOU are the one in the minority - and it is an alien concept, it's not an experience you are used to - and naturally, it feels uncomfy to many people intially.

Some people simply want to see bigotry and racism in anything - and they do - where there simply is none to be seen. tbh - those who do, are themselves (imo) - the real bigots, the real troublemakers. Not those that they are accusing.

Except black people are not a majority in this country, they are very much a minority which kind of makes your whole argument fall flat. Not that it would matter anyway. It amazes me that you cannot see the sheer prejudice of saying there are "too many black people", and no it is not those who see wrong in that statement who are bigots, quite the opposite.

[CaptMidnight]

Most people aren't aware that we have such a low birth rate that our population is rapidly declining and the only thing keeping it up is the mass immigration that most western European countries have had. There's always talk about the overpopulation but I think that can only apply to countries with billions not millions.

Mass abortion, contraception without those we would wouldn't have this low birth rate problem. You will see people with 3 or 4 kids but they are a minority, too many aren't having any kids at all.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Except black people are not a majority in this country, they are very much a minority which kind of makes your whole argument fall flat. Not that it would matter anyway. It amazes me that you cannot see the sheer prejudice of saying there are "too many black people", and no it is not those who see wrong in that statement who are bigots, quite the opposite.

did you actually watch the show, or are you arguing just for the sheer hell of it MTVN - because that is exactly how your post comes over. In fact, it's incredibly aggressive and argumentive in tone and in the words you have used.

It matters a great deal - because when 'they' were making use of the word 'blacks' in the context that they were - the scene showed a street full of persons with all manner of non caucasian people - Indians, Arabs, Pakistani, Africans, to name a few - with very few caucasians. The word 'black' would be the generalised term being applied.

It's not exactly difficult to work out that the word Blacks, didn't mean quite literally those who have skin colour from their roots being in deepest darkest Africa.

I don't know how you feel you can justify your comment, "It amazes me that you cannot see....." You don't know me MTVN, my thoughts or my opinions on such matters - so how you can be amazed by someone putting over their view - when you no nothing about that person on a personal level - beats me!!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

did you actually watch the show, or are you arguing just for the sheer hell of it MTVN - because that is exactly how your post comes over. In fact, it's incredibly aggressive and argumentive in tone and in the words you have used.

It matters a great deal - because when 'they' were making use of the word 'blacks' in the context that they were - the scene showed a street full of persons with all manner of non caucasian people - Indians, Arabs, Pakistani, Africans, to name a few - with very few caucasians. The word 'black' would be the generalised term being applied.

It's not exactly difficult to work out that the word Blacks, didn't mean quite literally those who have skin colour from their roots being in deepest darkest Africa.

I don't know how you feel you can justify your comment, "It amazes me that you cannot see....." You don't know me MTVN, my thoughts or my opinions on such matters - so how you can be amazed by someone putting over their view - when you no nothing about that person on a personal level - beats me!!

I have seen the clip in question and yes, I think they were very intolerant and narrow-minded, which is quite ironic really. It wasn't aggresive at all, certainly no more so than you implying that I was a bigot for supposedly "simply want[ing] to see bigotry and racism in anything". The last parapgraph makes no sense, of course I can be amazed by your view, I think you'd be pretty amazed if someone started advocating genocide wouldn't you?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I have seen the clip in question and yes, I think they were very intolerant and narrow-minded, which is quite ironic really. It wasn't aggresive at all, certainly no more so than you implying that I was a bigot for supposedly "simply want[ing] to see bigotry and racism in anything". The last parapgraph makes no sense, of course I can be amazed by your view, I think you'd be pretty amazed if someone started advocating genocide wouldn't you?

I didn't imply anything towards you personally, once again, you twist what I have said, as you do often. Perhaps you felt like that because there may have been truth in what I said? I cannot answer that - what I can say is that you are not dealing with what I write, but with what you 'THINK' I am saying.

. No I wouldn't be amazed by someone I do not know, offering their opinion on a matter. I do feel your post was aggressive - you are being very subtle and bordering close on what I would perhaps consider baiting.

I note that despite the rules of the forum being that we may disagree with opinions, but we are to respect them. Once again, your wording above, clearly displays little respect towards my opinion. I gave you quite precise reasons for the use of the work 'Black' - yet I see you make no mention of the possibility of you even considering, considering another viewpoint other than your own.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I didn't imply anything towards you personally, once again, you twist what I have said, as you do often. Perhaps you felt like that because there may have been truth in what I said? I cannot answer that - what I can say is that you are not dealing with what I write, but with what you 'THINK' I am saying.

. No I wouldn't be amazed by someone I do not know, offering their opinion on a matter. I do feel your post was aggressive - you are being very subtle and bordering close on what I would perhaps consider baiting.

I note that despite the rules of the forum being that we may disagree with opinions, but we are to respect them. Once again, your wording above, clearly displays little respect towards my opinion. I gave you quite precise reasons for the use of the work 'Black' - yet I see you make no mention of the possibility of you even considering, considering another viewpoint other than your own.

Hmm let's see, I say they made a "narrow minded and bigoted comment", you say in response "some people simply want to see bigotry and racism in anything" and it is normally those who are the bigots. Yeah, you weren't implying anything there right? I'm not an idiot Pyramid, you can be subtle about it and deny it, but the implication is clear. And if you are not amazed at someone advocating genocide then quite frankly you should be.

I have broken no rules in my comments, and if you feel I have then go ahead and report me,or even better quote me the section of the rules that I have broken. You may have your opinion but that doesn't mean it can't be subject to criticism, and the same applies to myself.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hmm let's see, I say they made a "narrow minded and bigoted comment", you say in response "some people simply want to see bigotry and racism in anything" and it is normally those who are the bigots. Yeah, you weren't implying anything there right? I'm not an idiot Pyramid, you can be subtle about it and deny it, but the implication is clear. And if you are not amazed at someone advocating genocide then quite frankly you should be.

I have broken no rules in my comments, and if you feel I have then go ahead and report me,or even better quote me the section of the rules that I have broken. You may have your opinion but that doesn't mean it can't be subject to criticism, and the same applies to myself.

I see you have once again, completely ignored and paid no attention whatsoever to the detailed explanations I have provided you with in several posts on the actuall TV programme.

You appear to be taking this, and making this, though all of your comments, personal. No one was speaking about you personally being bigoted or racist, cetainly not I. I don't know you well enough to make that determination, and I would not be so bold to do so. In fact, I cannot recall ever calling anyone a racist on here... EVER, even when addressing them personally. If you have taken that way, I cannot be blamed for your own interpretation of something I did not in fact say.

It's important to point out these people the show featured those who do not have English as a foreign language - and using the words 'too many blacks' may have been nothing more that their own translation to 'a lot of blacks'. The wording ''too many'' / '' a lot of'' are not that far removed in meaning - and I'd hazard a guess that speaking in a language that is not their mother tongue, help lose the translation a bit.

Have you given any consideration to that, as well as all the other very relevant points I've made in earlier posts - because I'm looking at varous reasons for them not being racist / bigots - and all seem quite valid to me.

[fruit_cake]

Other people are entitled to have their own opinions, and they don't have to match yours shock horror!!

[InOne]

Just watched this, was pretty good.

I feel bad for the ones with qualifications who could really contribute to society yet can't find work or have to work minimum wage. But the Hungarian guys seemed a bit like chancers really, no real prospects and looking for the easy life.

And their comments to what they see are just brutally honest, it probably is a culture shock to the place they have in their minds, see on TV and hear about. Especially some parts of London

[arista]

it was on bbc3

yesterday.


Do you not buy a TV mag?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

it was on bbc3

yesterday.


Do you not buy a TV mag?

Yes, but I must've skipped over it. That is what iplayer is for

[Spline]

She doesn't have many choices and London's job market is super tough, every skill counts. if she has a master's deegree and is looking for a good paying job she shouldn't look for work in those places in the first place. I liked the Siberian girls idea of preparing for a specific position in that company.

I think the chav looking Hungarian was watching a bit too much travel channel and was looking at Britain from a tourist's pov. Actually that's an issue they all seemed to share.

And I'm afraid the Czech girl was simply unaware she was making racist comments. "We're living with black people but we don't really mind, because they're friendly" that got me rofl.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Spline

She doesn't have many choices and London's job market is super tough, every skill counts. if she has a master's deegree and is looking for a good paying job she shouldn't look for work in those places in the first place. I liked the Siberian girls idea of preparing for a specific position in that company.

I think the chav looking Hungarian was watching a bit too much travel channel and was looking at Britain from a tourist's pov. Actually that's an issue they all seemed to share.

And I'm afraid the Czech girl was simply unaware she was making racist comments. "We're living with black people but we don't really mind, because they're friendly" that got me rofl.

I thought the Hungarian seemed ok at first when he said he could speak, German, French and English. Then later on it said he learnt them from watching TV, I was like waaaaat

[Jordan.]

The guy who went home was a prick. How dare he say WE let him down.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The guy who went home was a prick. How dare he say WE let him down.

Tell me about it he stayed for a fortnight applied for one job and at the interview he wore a cap and a Little Britain t-shirt and then somehow thinks its our fault he didn't get a job.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Other people are entitled to have their own opinions, and they don't have to match yours shock horror!!

I don't believe I have indicated anything otherwise. I happened to explain in depth why i thought the opposite.

Originally Posted by InOne

Just watched this, was pretty good.

I feel bad for the ones with qualifications who could really contribute to society yet can't find work or have to work minimum wage. But the Hungarian guys seemed a bit like chancers really, no real prospects and looking for the easy life.

And their comments to what they see are just brutally honest, it probably is a culture shock to the place they have in their minds, see on TV and hear about. Especially some parts of London

I agree.

Originally Posted by Spline

She doesn't have many choices and London's job market is super tough, every skill counts. if she has a master's deegree and is looking for a good paying job she shouldn't look for work in those places in the first place. I liked the Siberian girls idea of preparing for a specific position in that company.

I think the chav looking Hungarian was watching a bit too much travel channel and was looking at Britain from a tourist's pov. Actually that's an issue they all seemed to share.

And I'm afraid the Czech girl was simply unaware she was making racist comments. "We're living with black people but we don't really mind, because they're friendly" that got me rofl.

I also agree - I do think she was completely unaware of how her comments may have come over, I do not think there was malice or intent to be racist.

Originally Posted by InOne

I thought the Hungarian seemed ok at first when he said he could speak, German, French and English. Then later on it said he learnt them from watching TV, I was like waaaaat

Partly I agree in that he seemed to think he had what it took to be a translator.

It's fine to laugh (and yes, I did think.... ha ha, you're not that smart)... but after about 2 seconds I realised that at least he could speak 4 languages despite his young age.

How many in this country, UK born and bred caucasion British Citizens can speak 4 languages? Not many, with a high proportion having very limited English skills, never mind any other language far less a third or a fourth.

Being able to speak a language is very different from the written form - the guy did seem to have a 'rose tinted' idea - I can't deny that - but as I say, regardless of where he learned the languages: he spoke them well enough for the agency worker to verbalise with him. It was his written work that caused him the issues.