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Livia · 13-12-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

Innocent until proven guilty. End of.

You are required to produce a valid ticket on demand. If you can't, you are the one that's breaking the rules. As you so eloquently put it... end of.

MTVN · 13-12-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

I'm not being silly.

This is what you stated.

What do you think his job is then?

What do you think the purpose is of a Train Conductor/Inspector is....... just wander up and down carriages to waste time and be paid for it?

Whether you regard his job as menial or otherwise far less whether you think he was taking it too seriously, THAT IS the man's job.The man WAS doing his job - the job he is paid to do.

It is a menial job yes, unless you'd like to convince me otherwise?

And yes I understand IT IS HIS JOB, doesn't change my opinion, I'm entitled to my opinion Pyramid

Tom4784 · 13-12-2011, 08:35 PM

I wonder if that bloke would have been so happy to intervene if the fare dodger was the same size as him? He came off as an arse and a bully really and I don't know why anyone would clap at seeing a larger man throw around a lad half his size. Says a lot about them.

The lad shouldn't have done what he did but that's not an excuse for some fat bloke in the midst of a mid life crisis to throw his weight about in a bad attempt to show off.

Livia · 13-12-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

Read over my other replies Livia i cant be arsed to start up debating all over again

You say the same thing over and over. I'm the one who "can't be arsed".

MTVN · 13-12-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

I don't believe I said you weren't entitled to your opinion.

I did however point out that that WAS exactly one of the roles in which he is expected to fulfill - in his 'menial' job.

At least the Conductor is still out earning a crust.... even in his advanced years. More than can be said of some of today's younger generation who haven't worked a day in their lives, quite happy to sign for their giro every 2 wks.... I wouldn't be surprised if the yobbo fell into that category tbh. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Like I said I love conductors, never denied that they were "earning a crust"

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

To be honest JF you were trying to use "lefty" in a derogative way as well. And anyway we're talking about a train journey here, hardly one of the great political issues of our time

So what if they were? Thatis (as you mentioned earlier to me), is JF's opinion and he (like you and any of us) is allowed to 'voice' that on here.

If people want to be offended because someone uses the term 'lefty' as not what they perceive to be the best way forward: that's their sujbective opinion. It is not necessarily fact.

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Like I said I love conductors, never denied that they were "earning a crust"

But you have some issue with people in menial jobs, doing the very job in which they are paid to do....

Mystic Mock · 13-12-2011, 08:52 PM

It seems like you have created a popular talking point Jack.

Locke. · 13-12-2011, 09:07 PM

Time to make all public transport free

Marc · 13-12-2011, 09:07 PM

One of the best things I've seen in a long time! So worthy of being thrown off the train

Fetch The Bolt Cutters · 13-12-2011, 09:15 PM

i would have enjoyed that more if the guy who threw him off was attractive

also hes a dick everybody knows if you dont want to pay you hide in the toilets the ticket attendants rarely check them

Josy · 13-12-2011, 09:15 PM

The guy that interfered was far too rough, yeah the one that never had a ticket was in the wrong but that was between him and the conductor, no one else, just because he never had a ticket doesnt mean the other guy had a right to assault him, the conductor should have done his job properly and kept him on the train then radio through for the police to be waiting at the next station.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters · 13-12-2011, 09:18 PM

preach josy the big guy wanted to look like some kind of hero bet he thought he was gonna get a pride of britain award and he just ended up looking like a **** and he nearly squashed that poor woman

Shasown · 13-12-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

The guy that interfered was far too rough, yeah the one that never had a ticket was in the wrong but that was between him and the conductor, no one else, just because he never had a ticket doesnt mean the other guy had a right to assault him, the conductor should have done his job properly and kept him on the train then radio through for the police to be waiting at the next station.

Very true and the conductor should also have offered to allow the man to purchase a valid ticket or provide some acceptable form of ID in order for the company to send an invoice for the fare for the youth to pay at a convenient time (Thats part of the provisions Rail compainies must follow imposed when the network was sold off).

The passenger had no right to interfere or to manhandle the youth off the train, thats called vigilantism. Would have been funny if the youth had knocked him on his ass after fat man grabbed him, fat man would have had no comeback.

Even though the act was carried out apparently as a public spirited action, in order to help out the conductor and make sure people werent overly delayed because of the action of one numpty its still illegal.

GypsyGoth · 13-12-2011, 09:37 PM

The fare dodger wants us to argue.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters · 13-12-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

The fare dodger wants us to argue.

fruit_cake · 13-12-2011, 10:18 PM

I always go in the car

fruit_cake · 13-12-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

So you have no opinion then on the subject?

what Karl has said

Benjamin · 13-12-2011, 10:51 PM

Good, the little scumbag deserved it. All this molly coddling like 'oh he may have had his reasons for not paying', bull****. If you you can't afford the train don't get on it, simple as.

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by God

Good, the little scumbag deserved it. All this molly coddling like 'oh he may have had his reasons for not paying', bull****. If you you can't afford the train don't get on it, simple as.

GOD has spoken.

I am in agreement with GOD.

Not much more to say.

Benjamin · 13-12-2011, 11:01 PM

I'm temporarily locking this and cleaning it up as some of the posts are way off topic.

Benjamin · 13-12-2011, 11:15 PM

Right, cleaned it up as best as I can whilst my internet is running slow. Please keep on topic everyone.

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Very true and the conductor should also have offered to allow the man to purchase a valid ticket or provide some acceptable form of ID in order for the company to send an invoice for the fare for the youth to pay at a convenient time (Thats part of the provisions Rail compainies must follow imposed when the network was sold off).

The passenger had no right to interfere or to manhandle the youth off the train, thats called vigilantism. Would have been funny if the youth had knocked him on his ass after fat man grabbed him, fat man would have had no comeback.

Even though the act was carried out apparently as a public spirited action, in order to help out the conductor and make sure people werent overly delayed because of the action of one numpty its still illegal.

We don't know if the conductor perhaps did offer the youth this option and that's where it began to kick off. The start of the clip seems to be whereby the 'discussion' has become a heated one.

For all we know, the conductor may have offered the guy the option and he told him to eff off that he had a ticket.....

InOne · 13-12-2011, 11:19 PM

Yes the guy was a twat but the "big man" took it too far. Don't get why this whole "lefty" argument is used, surely there is a limit to what is soft and what is not. The guy who chucked him off was just some thug and worse than the guy that didn't have a ticket. I hope he gets done for assault. If that's how they do it in Scotland thank god I don't live there.

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge

Yes the guy was a twat but the "big man" took it too far. Don't get why this whole "lefty" argument is used, surely there is a limit to what is soft and what is not. The guy who chucked him off was just some thug and worse than the guy that didn't have a ticket. I hope he gets done for assault. If that's how they do it in Scotland thank god I don't live there.

I'm thankful I do - having seen the other clip and stories & clips of late that appear to show those south of Scotland in a far worse light, and being dealt with in a far more nambie pampie, wrap people in cotton wool and allow them to do what they like attitude - yep I'm thankful for living in Scotland.

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