[InOne]

He makes some good points. Noel for PM


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...-thatcher.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...-Thatcher.html

[Niall]

He's off his head. Absolute twat. Thatcher is one of the reasons this country is in such an economic state at the moment.

[King Gizzard]

Rubbish. Stick to music noel

[Ammi]

I don't really agree with him tbh. He's just getting old. Violence has always been a part of society, but you notice it more when it's your childrens safety than when you were young and it was your own. There are changes for sure, but a lot of them are positive ones.

[MTVN]

Noel Gallagher a Thatcherite, wouldn't have guessed it

[InOne]

He doesn't say he supports her, he's on about society and general attitudes at the time mostly.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niall

He's off his head. Absolute twat. Thatcher is one of the reasons this country is in such an economic state at the moment.

How do you work that out?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by InOne

He doesn't say he supports her, he's on about society and general attitudes at the time mostly.

I think he's looking back through rose coloured spectacles, because he's proably worried about his kids...it's understandable, we've all heard our parents and grandparents say.....'when I was a lad.........'

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I think he's looking back through rose coloured spectacles, because he's proably worried about his kids...it's understandable, we've all heard our parents and grandparents say.....'when I was a lad.........'

this

[Kizzy]

What is it about money that turns people tory!...

[MTVN]

What he seems to be saying is that because things were worse they were better, and that because the situation was so crap for so many people it made their music and art a lot more meaningful or something, I don't think crime and general disorder is a lot worse today than it was 20/30 years ago either. I agree with Ammi, seems more like he's just got rose tinted glasses on tbh.

[joeysteele]

From all I have heard from family and friends families too and from all I have read of the period of her Premiership between 1979 and 1990,I would not have been a supporter of hers so cannot agree with much Noel says.

She was undoubtedly a leader who stood no nonsense and was very strong but she turned working man against working man and also presided over the largest unemployment. and home repossessions, had 2 recessions in that time as well.
There are some similarities now as to then but what she didn't have was the worldwide crisis that hit the last Labour govt,(who were badly prepared for the event in full truth), or the mess this coalition Govt has had to take over from that Labour govt.
Thatchers recessions were largely only confined her home front in the UK and possibly even of her making too by bad economic policies.

Without the revenues from North sea oil and also the selling off very cheaply of the energy companies and other state owned industries,the economic and financial record of her time as PM would have read extremely negatively probably.

Noel Gallagher is a brilliant songwriter, musician and he sings really good too but in 1997 he was well involved with the Tony Blair bandwagon and certainly wasn't saying anything like this then. I rate Noel highly but best he holds back on politics.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What he seems to be saying is that because things were worse they were better, and that because the situation was so crap for so many people it made their music and art a lot more meaningful, I don't think crime and general disorder is a lot worse today than it was 20/30 years ago either. I think he's just got rose tinted glasses on tbh.

Yes indeed, that's what my grandad said about WW2 times as well....but I doubt it was 'better times'

[Kizzy]

things are worse, a lot worse statistically if you look at the increase in gun and knife crime in some of our inner cities its evident. Its due to cultural and social change rather than political change though.

[fruit_cake]

It's very different, we had no internet or anything back then. I don't think Thatcher is really relevant. It's been a long time since she was around. People were less self obsessed back then though imo

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What is it about money that turns people tory!...

That's a bit of a wild generalisation. You think everyone who's below a certain salary votes Labour?

There are lots of working class members of the Conservative party, just as there are some very rich "champagne socialists" in the Labour party.

The economy was better under Thatcher, whether you like her or not. The Tories inherited an unstable economy from Labour and built it up. Nothing happens over night, but eventually interest rates went down, unemployment went down we had a strong pound... then Labour got in and for ten years steadily spent all the money, sold off our gold reserves, plundered our pension pots... then lost a General Election to the Conservatives. So once again the Conservatives have inherited an unstable economy from Labour. It's like a vicious circle.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

It's very different, we had no internet or anything back then. I don't think Thatcher is really relevant. It's been a long time since she was around. People were less self obsessed back then though imo

It's twenty two years. The blink of an eye in historical terms. That's like saying nothing pre-Internet is relevant.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's a bit of a wild generalisation. You think everyone who's below a certain salary votes Labour?

There are lots of working class members of the Conservative party, just as there are some very rich "champagne socialists" in the Labour party.

The economy was better under Thatcher, whether you like her or not. The Tories inherited an unstable economy from Labour and built it up. Nothing happens over night, but eventually interest rates went down, unemployment went down we had a strong pound... then Labour got in and for ten years steadily spent all the money, sold off our gold reserves, plundered our pension pots... then lost a General Election to the Conservatives. So once again the Conservatives have inherited an unstable economy from Labour. It's like a vicious circle.

Unemployment? Surely she can't be credited for reducing that, it soared under Thatcher to the highest point since the Great Depression, sure she managed to bring down inflation but at a very high price, and Thatcher's economy wasn't particularly stable either, she also oversaw two recessions as well as a crippling boom and bust period

[Kizzy]

but i love making wild generalisations... It is a worldwide recession, you cannot blame labour for squandering money and then suggest the tories rock up on white chargers to save us all. We are indeed living in a very different world from the 1980s, and i would suggest one of the governments biggest expenditures is defence. Followed by welfare, as our country has swelled considerably. Conservative governments historically have been known to protect those with money and target the poorest in society, more recently there has been a shift by those working class voting conservative the 'essex man' for example. does this prove that all who have money vote tory? maybe not but we are seeing a shift in attitudes towards the poor, back to a lazzez faire ideology.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's twenty two years. The blink of an eye in historical terms. That's like saying nothing pre-Internet is relevant.

No it's not like saying that at all. It's like saying that Noel believes Britain was better under Thatcher, and I disagree and believe that things like the internet are more important to social change in the last 22 years than the relevance of not having Thatcher as prime minister.

[MTVN]

I don't think Thatcher is irrelevant at all, Blair took New Labour down a Thatcherite path, we've got a Thatcherite PM in power now, the Falklands is still disputed territory, the Unions have never regained the strength they once had and she started the process of privatisation which is still ongoing today, it's hard to deny that she still has a lot of relevance in the political world

Edit - oh sorry, you mean culturally, hmm I'm not really all that sure about that, I don't know a lot about what life was like for most people back in the 80's

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't think Thatcher is irrelevant at all, Blair took New Labour down a Thatcherite path, we've got a Thatcherite PM in power now, the Falklands is still disputed territory, the Unions have never regained the strength they once had and she started the process of privatisation which is still ongoing today, it's hard to deny that she still has a lot of relevance in the political world



Edit - oh sorry, you mean culturally, hmm I'm not really all that sure about that, I don't know a lot about what life was like for most people back in the 80's

Yes Blair the New Secret Tory.

[arista]

It was all better under Thatcher': Noel Gallagher on Britain's glory days, turning his back on drugs and the end of Oasis



Nothing wrong with saying that.

[Kizzy]

nothing right with it either...just a generalisation, everyone thinks their era is the best, when you are young and hedonistic. Now he has a romantic nostalgic 'this is england' image, If he had been a fella out of work struggling to support a family in the 80s he might have had a different view of maggie?

[Kazanne]

IMO,it was Labour that brought this country to its knees,now it has to be propped up again and it will be hard ,but it HAS to be done,no one likes it but as they say you have to be cruel to be kind.