[MTVN]

I'm sure he would go if the alternative was being kept under house arrest without charge like he has been the last two years, I never said he was going to live out the rest of his days there I'm just glad that Ecuador have stood up to Britain, Sweden and the US and granted him asylum

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Assange is pathetic. HE is trying to use Wikileaks as an excuse to get out of his rape charges.

The women that he has allegedly raped have a right to their day in court. For someone who is supposedly so interested in the idea of justice and freedom it's amazing that he doesn't think these women have a right to justice.

The people protecting him are pathetic groupies that think he is some sort of God. They think he's incapable of any wrong doing and use pathetic conspiracy theories to justify their support.

There are no charges against him just a wish to talk to him which he was happy to do but they wont because then they have to either charge him or drop it they have used it to keep him under house arrest for 2 years without charging him if there was a case to answer they would have charged him and extradited him.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm sure he would go if the alternative was being kept under house arrest without charge like he has been the last two years, I never said he was going to live out the rest of his days there I'm just glad that Ecuador have stood up to Britain, Sweden and the US and granted him asylum

What does the US have to do with it? The US hasn't done anything with regards to Assange. The US has already Caught the perpetrator of the leaks, Bradley Manning. The US has nothing to do with Assange being accused of rape, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bobnot

There are no charges against him just a wish to talk to him which he was happy to do but they wont because then they have to either charge him or drop it they have used it to keep him under house arrest for 2 years without charging him if there was a case to answer they would have charged him and extradited him.

I meant accusations, not charges, but don't be pedantic. and he's been under house arrest for 2 years because he's been fighting extradition. If he had just gone to sweden, and he defended himself against the accusations, if he is innocent he'd be totally free right now. All of his troubles right now are because he is refusing to face the rape allegations, which to me says he's trying to hide something. If he was innocent this would all be behind him by now.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

What does the US have to do with it? The US hasn't done anything with regards to Assange. The US has already Caught the perpetrator of the leaks, Bradley Manning. The US has nothing to do with Assange being accused of rape, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

Because the decision to grant him asylum was made partly because neither the British, Swedish or American authorities have been able to guarantee that Assange wouldn't be handed over to the US after being extradited to Sweden

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Because the decision to grant him asylum was made partly because neither the British, Swedish or American authorities have been able to guarantee that Assange wouldn't be handed over to the US after being extradited to Sweden

the british swedish and american authorities can't garuntee anyone won't be handed over to anyone, it's a case by case basis obviously. why would julian assange deserve any kind of assurances?? why do you think he deserves special treatment?? If you are accussed of a crime, you face the accusations, period. that's true for everyone, why would julian assange get some sort of immunity?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the british swedish and american authorities can't garuntee anyone won't be handed over to anyone, it's a case by case basis obviously. why would julian assange deserve any kind of assurances?? why do you think he deserves special treatment?? If you are accussed of a crime, you face the accusations, period. that's true for everyone, why would julian assange get some sort of immunity?

He has openly invited the swedish to come and interview him which would be normal procedure which would then follow with either him being charged and extradited or released but they wont interview him i wonder why
extraditing someone to see if they might have done something wrong yeah thats normal.

[arista]

This is Down to Trust


and we do not trust America

Its that simple.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

This is Down to Trust


and we do not trust America

Its that simple.

who is we?

If America wanted Julian Assange we'd already have him. We got Osama bin Laden, it wouldn't be hard to get that little albino freak.

[Tom4784]

It's a mess of a situation and it's despicable that the police have gone to such lengths.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

who is we?

If America wanted Julian Assange we'd already have him. We got Osama bin Laden, it wouldn't be hard to get that little albino freak.

A Large amount of TIBB posters

[joeysteele]

I think,if they think about it, Ecuador may have indirectly given the UK a way out of this, now he is granted asylum there, the UK Govt should allow him to go there now.

It is then between Sweden and Ecuador after that, the UK has no arguments with either Sweden or Ecuador.
When they agreed to extradite him to Sweden there was no political asylum in place, now there is, the UK would look no less foolish in allowing him to go with diplomats to Ecuador than it would by a likely very long ongoing bad publicity ridden argument as to someones human rights.
All this police activity does look rather unsavoury as to one person.
Actually going in and getting him would likely open up a massive wave of disasters for UK embassies all over the place in other Countries,especially where the UK is near detested anyway.

Once he was away from the UK and in Ecuador the UK could then wash their hands of the whole situation after that.
No Country as yet has any charges as to him, only allegations, Sweden has also refused to come and talk to him here or even via video link.
There is a Nation that has stepped in and declared they have given him asylum there,namely Ecuador, I cannot see the UK Govt. coming out of this looking good in any way if it completely ignores that major development.
Whether he is guilty or not of anything is clearly not for the UK to decide.I have no thoughts either way as to him but if I were the Govt, he would be off and on his way to Ecuador now and I would be telling Sweden they should have come and talked to him here when it was offered and to now take things up with Ecuador.

[Livia]

Can I ask why so many people view this man as some kind of hero?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Can I ask why so many people view this man as some kind of hero?

The leaks on Corruption in the CIA.

[Omah]

Still no police raid, then .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

Still no police raid, then .....

No
but outside Police are trying to move the supporters
and fights


Why no No BBC link on that?

[MTVN]

I don't consider him a hero but I do have respect for what Wikileaks have done and I don't think it's fair the way he's been treated

Originally Posted by lostalex

the british swedish and american authorities can't garuntee anyone won't be handed over to anyone, it's a case by case basis obviously. why would julian assange deserve any kind of assurances?? why do you think he deserves special treatment?? If you are accussed of a crime, you face the accusations, period. that's true for everyone, why would julian assange get some sort of immunity?

The Swedes have no legitimate reason to want him extradited when they've been offered the opportunity to question him here numerous times but refused without giving a reason, he'd pretty much be thrown in a cell straight away and youve also got senators in the US saying he should be prosecuted for espionage, you can understand why he's a bit wary

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

The leaks on Corruption in the CIA.

sorry, umm, what? please be more specific. The wikileaks cables didn't reveal any wrong doing by the US government. Nothing in the released documents showed America doing anything illegal at all.

That's why you cannot call him a whistle blower. Whistle blowers reveal wrong doing. Blowing the whistle on people doing something wrong, but nothing in the wikileaks revealed any wrong doing at all. so it's not whistle blowing.

it's been 2 years since he released those diplomatic cables, and no one has found ANYTHING out of order, or wrong. HE released it saying it would expose America for being horrible, but it did the exact opposite, it actually proved that America is not hiding anything.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Omah

Still no police raid, then .....

Keep up with the thread as has been said already it was a tactical move designed to try and intimidate the ecudorians into handing Assange over just hours before they announced the result of his asylum application.

You also questioned the fact that i said police had entered the building in the early hours of the morning but not crossed the threshold of the embassys offices.
That is now being reported as fact by the media as a whole

[Omah]

Originally Posted by arista

No
but outside Police are trying to move the supporters
and fights


Why no No BBC link on that?

Assange extradition: Scuffles outside Ecuador embassy

[Omah]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Keep up with the thread as has been said already it was a tactical move designed to try and intimidate the ecudorians into handing Assange over just hours before they announced the result of his asylum application.

You also questioned the fact that i said police had entered the building in the early hours of the morning but not crossed the threshold of the embassys offices.
That is now being reported as fact by the media as a whole

Still no "police raid", then - obviously someone's trying to make a drama out of a crisis ......

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

sorry, umm, what? please be more specific. The wikileaks cables didn't reveal any wrong doing by the US government. Nothing in the released documents showed America doing anything illegal at all.

That's why you cannot call him a whistle blower. Whistle blowers reveal wrong doing. Blowing the whistle on people doing something wrong, but nothing in the wikileaks revealed any wrong doing at all. so it's not whistle blowing.

it's been 2 years since he released those diplomatic cables, and no one has found ANYTHING out of order, or wrong. HE released it saying it would expose America for being horrible, but it did the exact opposite, it actually proved that America is not hiding anything.

Did you actually read or take notice of any of the cables?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Did you actually read or take notice of any of the cables?

yes, i folowed the story, i was quite excited to see what amazing secrets America was hiding from the world.... and like the rest of the world, i waited, and waited, and waited, and still, nothing has been revealed that showed any wrong doing on the part of the American government.

Please prove me wrong... please show me which cable exposed some horrible action by the US....

actually you should probably tell the BBC, or the Guardian or CNN before you tell me if you do find one, cause i'm sure they'd like to know too...

[MTVN]

So the Guantanamo leaks revealed no wrongdoing? http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/a...d&type=article

Or the leaks about how America ignored torture in Iraq? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11611319

I can give you a lot more if you want, when I'm at a computer

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So the Guantanamo leaks revealed no wrongdoing? http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/a...d&type=article

Or the leaks about how America ignored torture in Iraq? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11611319

I can give you a lot more if you want, when I'm at a computer

You can give me a lot more? You havn't even said anything yet. Show me anything that America has done wrong, anything illegal exposed by wikileaks. there was NOTHING. show me ONE thing that came out of those cables that revealed anything illegal.

You obviously don't know anything about what you are talking about.

You need to get to a computer why? Cause you need to google it? So you can't think of anything? So you are OUTRAGED by the wikileaks, but you can't even remember off the top of yur head anything that was important?? LOL