[Vicky.]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...rt-of-comments

I agree with her. It is absolutely ridiculous that seriously ill people have to travel abroad to be able to end their own lives. In a way, I think its discrimination, as able bodied people can chose when they die, why shouldnt the disabled?

[Livia]

I can see that there would be a worry that vulnerable people may be coerced into it for the convenience of others, but so long as there are proper checks and procedures I think it's only right that someone of sound mind should be able to choose their own destiny.

[arista]

Yes so long as they can Ensure other Family Members
are not pushing it to get money after the Death,
it should be permitted

[Marc]

I have always been a supporter of euthanasia for terminally ill people. Especially if they are your relatives

[lostalex]

I agree that people who are suffering should be allowed to choose when to end their suffering.

If someone has decided their life is over, we should respect that, and help them end their life in the most dignified and peaceful way possible.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes so long as they can Ensure other Family Members
are not pushing it to get money after the Death,
it should be permitted

I agree with this.

[Redway]

[Me. I Am Salman]

I think euthanasia should be made legal but each case should go to court first and be looked into deeply, or else it would be too easy for people to end their lives without thinking properly about it.

[Jake.]

[Kizzy]

Does this signal the end of the ' life support machine?'

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Does this signal the end of the ' life support machine?'

Not at all, most uses of the life support machine are to be able to support the body to recover by taking off as much strain as possible, lots more people survive and go on to make complete or almost complete recovery, than end up vegetative.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes so long as they can Ensure other Family Members
are not pushing it to get money after the Death,
it should be permitted

totally agree.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Not at all, most uses of the life support machine are to be able to support the body to recover by taking off as much strain as possible, lots more people survive and go on to make complete or almost complete recovery, than end up vegetative.

That was not intended to be a literal statement ...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by kizzy

That was not intended to be a literal statement ...

Then dont say it literally, say it rhetorically

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Then dont say it literally, say it rhetorically

if you misinterprate my post don't blame me....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by kizzy

if you misinterprate my post don't blame me....

If you want to attempt to go all clever on us and divert the blame and cant handle a gentle ribbing please use a dictionary or spell checker (M I S I N T E R P R E T - misinterpret), when using big words.

[fruit_cake]

I think it's fine as it is. Giving the state power to end people's lives is a risky business. If folks want to die, I don't see why going to Switzerland is such a big problem really.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I think it's fine as it is. Giving the state power to end people's lives is a risky business. If folks want to die, I don't see why going to Switzerland is such a big problem really.

Bit difficult though if you are almost vegetative, have told your family etc thats what you want and they wont take you, isnt it?

[Vicky.]

Can people get grants or something to go to switzerland?

I doubt its cheap, and if they cant then its kinda saying you are only in control of your own life if you have cash :/

[Livia]

If people are mentally capable of making the choice, I don't see why they can't choose to end their life in their own home, surrounded by familiar things and with the family around them. I think it's more dignified and fitting than having to take what would be a bloody difficult journey taking the logistics of it into account, then dying in an unfamiliar room in a clinic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

If you want to attempt to go all clever on us and divert the blame and cant handle a gentle ribbing please use a dictionary or spell checker (M I S I N T E R P R E T - misinterpret), when using big words.

Sory I spelled the wurd wrong, puleeze ecept my apolojies.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Can people get grants or something to go to switzerland?

I doubt its cheap, and if they cant then its kinda saying you are only in control of your own life if you have cash :/

yeah I guess. I'm a bit unsure how to think about this one as I see it as opening up Pandora's Box if you give the authority power to 'assist suicide'. If someone is in pain though it's totally understandable that they would want to end their life if there is no possibility of recovery.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can see that there would be a worry that vulnerable people may be coerced into it for the convenience of others, but so long as there are proper checks and procedures I think it's only right that someone of sound mind should be able to choose their own destiny.

we cant trust them with files and paperwork, or taxes or regulations, what makes you think we could trust them with allowing suicides?

the whole euthanasia issue is a red herring. far more energy and attention needs to be drawn to improving the endless problems in the nhs, such as patients waiting too long for crucial someties life saving operations, too many ulti million pound scanners lying unused for years, which also creates bed blocking, unnecessary extra courses of medication and more work for nurses, cleaners, doctors, these people need to be scanned much much sooner...also other majors issues around our hospitals having over 50 times more infections that swedish hospitals and it some extree cases patients have effectively starving to death or dying of thirst in our wards

we do have a form of euthanasia already as the hospitals use the DNR , do not rescuscitate, when a patient becomes so weak , frail and ill.

we need to change the narrative on this sore subject.

Im sympathetic for those in excruciating agony. None of us know what that would feel like. But personally Im more concerned with helping to save lives, improve lives, reduce all the pain , reduce waiting lists, especially for people to get scanned for cancer, for kidney problems, for blood clots and so on.

once they get scanned earlier, they can immediately be put on the correct medication. without these scans, patients can go months on the wrong medication and can die prematurely.

it will cost more money to man these scanners. but it costs millions to build them and train the staff to use them. to then only use them a few hours a week is scandalous. the money it costs to operate them far more hours, would be saved in the long run, with more healthy people, treated earlier and not bed blocking taking endless medication whilst awaiting their scans

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

we cant trust them with files and paperwork, or taxes or regulations, what makes you think we could trust them with allowing suicides?

the whole euthanasia issue is a red herring. far more energy and attention needs to be drawn to improving the endless problems in the nhs, such as patients waiting too long for crucial someties life saving operations, too many ulti million pound scanners lying unused for years, which also creates bed blocking, unnecessary extra courses of medication and more work for nurses, cleaners, doctors, these people need to be scanned much much sooner...also other majors issues around our hospitals having over 50 times more infections that swedish hospitals and it some extree cases patients have effectively starving to death or dying of thirst in our wards

we do have a form of euthanasia already as the hospitals use the DNR , do not rescuscitate, when a patient becomes so weak , frail and ill.

we need to change the narrative on this sore subject.

Im sympathetic for those in excruciating agony. None of us know what that would feel like. But personally Im more concerned with helping to save lives, improve lives, reduce all the pain , reduce waiting lists, especially for people to get scanned for cancer, for kidney problems, for blood clots and so on.

once they get scanned earlier, they can immediately be put on the correct medication. without these scans, patients can go months on the wrong medication and can die prematurely.

it will cost more money to man these scanners. but it costs millions to build them and train the staff to use them. to then only use them a few hours a week is scandalous. the money it costs to operate them far more hours, would be saved in the long run, with more healthy people, treated earlier and not bed blocking taking endless medication whilst awaiting their scans

You're missing the point though. Even if they can get better (which in more cases than not isn't even on the cards), what makes you think that they would want to get better? Maybe they're tired of life and all and want to go out in a dignified fashion, hmm?

Let them do what they want. That's not for you to decide.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

You're missing the point though. Even if they can get better (which in more cases than not isn't even on the cards), what makes you think that they would want to get better? Maybe they're tired of life and all and want to go out in a dignified fashion, hmm?

Let them do what they want. That's not for you to decide.

Its not for you to decide that thousands of frail sick confused vulnerable people may die at the hands of an incompetent, or abusive, or corrupt member of staff or family member. My concern is for the innocent victims of such a law. People already murder for money the world over, all we are doing is making it easier for them. people also die in hospitals from neglect, all we are doing is making it easier to cover these failures up.

You also state, getting better isnt on the cards, so kill them off? dont give recovery a chance>? wheres theres life theres hope. Many thousands of people have lived for years way beyond their doctors predictions and expectations. this demand for making it easier to kill yourself is based wholly on pessimism and totally ignores the fact thousands probably millions are not receiving the medical treatment they need and deserve in the UK. I prefer to look at more optimistic ways of improving life, sustaining life and reducing pain.


Its a similar argument preventing capital punishment in the UK, too many innocent people may suffer as a result of such a law. Its too late once an innocent person has died through negligence or deliberate foul play.