[bbfan1991]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21341766

[Omah]

Years of abuse and neglect at the hospital led to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of patients.

The families of victims have voiced anger that no-one has been sufficiently punished for their roles.

Senior managers were able to leave the trust with little sanction, while most doctors and nurses involved have escaped censure from their professional regulators.

Disgraceful .....

[Kizzy]

It is more to do with too many bureaucrats and not enough funding. Now they are focussing on clinical care as the main problem?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is more to do with too many bureaucrats and not enough funding. Now they are focussing on clinical care as the main problem?

yes and immoral nursing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes and immoral nursing

I'm sorry I can't accept that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sorry I can't accept that.

well the many patients who were neglected and died of thirst had to accept it. maybe you should read up the transripts on the horrors that occured within this hospital. its horrendous and much of it was down to immoral substandard cruel nursing

[the truth]

heres just a snippet of the horrors

the trouble is the nurses untion is he bigeest and most powerful and always escapes criticism well not anymore...everyone has stories of neglect at the hands of cruel nurses


The victims of Stafford Hospital
by Keith Wilkinson - last updated Wed 6 Feb 2013
UK Stafford Hospital Mid staffs
The victims of Stafford Hospital Photo: ITV News Central

For years, relatives of several patients who died at Stafford Hospital have been speaking out about the standards of care they received on the wards.

Many were vulnerable and elderly and needed special attention. Yet their families say they were deprived of even the basics - food, water, medicines, and treatment with dignity and humanity.


A tribute wall made by family members and loved ones of patients who have died at Stafford Hospital. Credit: PA

It's thought hundreds of people died after treatment at Stafford Hospital.

Here are the accounts of just four relatives, whose loved ones were the victims of appalling care:

George Dalziel:'What are you doing to him?'


This photograph of George Dalziel was taken just two weeks before his death
George Dalziel died at Stafford Hospital five years ago. His widow, Chris, blames poor care at the hospital for his death.

She says she protested to a member of staff over his rapid decline and weight loss after an operation:

“"The bones on his back were sticking out, like that. And I just said to her: 'What are you doing to him?'."

– Chris Dalziel, widow
Mrs Dalziel says he was left in agony because of mistakes over pain relief and says he didn't get fed properly:

"The epidural had been sited in the wrong place. By this time his legs and his feet had swollen badly.

"He was down to about seven and a half stones. And I think in the end, because he was in so much pain, he had lost so much weight, that he hadn't got the fight in him anymore - to fight the pain."

“"I think in the end, because he was in so much pain, he had lost so much weight, that he hadn't got the fight in him anymore - to fight the pain."

– Chris Dalziel, widow
Joyce Williams: 'She couldn't even stand when she left Stafford'


Joyce Williams went into hospital for an operation on her arm, when she left, she couldn't even stand
Joyce Williams had been a nurse all her life. She didn't actually die at the hospital, but her relatives have similar concerns about the care she received at Stafford.

They believe her care after a broken arm and an infection was appalling.

Her grandaughter, Rebecca Davis, says her death was 'totally unnecessary'.

“"If she had gone in there and just had the arm operated on and just cared for like a human being, she'd be alive."

– Rebecca Davis, grandaughter of Joyce Williams
Ms Davis described how her grandmother's weight just "dropped off" because she wasn't getting enough food.

She says: "They [hospital staff] just put this massive plate of whatever it was from the kitchens in front of them. It normally wasn't what you'd ordered. And they'd say: 'Oh, do you not want that, Mrs Williams?' And off it would go. They just would not make the effort to sit down with her and give her the food."

When she left Stafford Hospital she could not even stand, and was told she would never walk again.

But after moving to a nursing home, her granddaughter says Mrs Williams made remarkable progress:

"With good nursing care, proper food, water, she was up on a frame within a week. They said she would never walk again at Stafford. But she did."

She died a year later.

Ellen Linstead: "It's beyond horrendous. It's soul destroying."


Ellen Linstead contracted a superbug while at Stafford Hospital
Ellen Linstead was admitted to Stafford Hospital after having a fall at home.

She went in for physiotherapy, and was admitted to an open ward.

Relatives of other patients raised concerns that their loved ones had picked up the hospital superbug Clostridium difficile (C. Diff). Mrs Linstead very quickly contracted it too. She had it until the day she died.

Her daughter, Deb Hazeldine, said the bug impacted on all her health:

"She wasn't able to mobilise. She had chronic diarrhoea and really, from that point onwards, she never got better."

Her daughter, who has been fighting the case ever since, says it didn't end with her mother's death.

At the undertakers, her body was in a sealed bag covered in stickers warning it was highly contagious.

"We were allowed a few minutes, a few moments, with my mum. We saw her head protruding from a body bag. And we were allowed to spend a couple of minutes with her, just really to say goodbye. And what they said was 'we now have to put your mum's head back into the body bag and seal it because she is at risk of infecting the ground that she is buried in'. It's beyond horrendous. It's soul destroying."

“"It's beyond horrendous. It's soul destroying."

– Deb Hazeldine, daughter
Bella Bailey: "It was just total neglect"


Bella Bailey was dropped in hospital
Julie Bailey founded the pressure group Cure the NHS _after the treatment her mother received at Stafford Hospital.

She says her mum Bella was accidentally dropped in the hospital - and wasn't given the vital drugs she needed. She says she died a few hours later, after drowning in her own fluid.

She said:

"There were patients going without food and fluids. There were no doctors checking on them. It was just total neglect, particularly of older people.

"And then when I have come out of the hospital, for the last four years, hat's all I have heard about - old people losing their lives in the hospital.

"They didn't have fluids for hours, days, They didn't have food. The staff themselves had a professional responsibility to do something about it.

"They should have spoken out about the poor care they were witnessing. So it was the top to the very bottom that failed my mum. It's a whole system failure."

[the truth]

5. The first Francis inquiry: what was care like?
Francis's report into care at Stafford hospital in February 2010, based on evidence from over 900 patients and families, was scathing. "I heard so many stories of shocking care," he said. "They were people who entered Stafford hospital and rightly expected to be well cared for and treated. Instead, many suffered horrific experiences that will haunt them and their loved ones for the rest of their lives."

Francis cited a litany of failings in the care of patients. "For many patients the most basic elements of care were neglected," he said. Some patients needing pain relief either got it late or not at all. Others were left unwashed for up to a month. "Food and drinks were left out of the reach of patients and many were forced to rely on family members for help with feeding." Too many patients were sent home before they were ready to go, and ended up back in hospital soon afterwards. "The standards of hygiene were at times awful, with families forced to remove used bandages and dressings from public areas and clean toilets themselves for fear of catching infections." Patients' calls for help to use the toilet were ignored, with the result that they were left in soiled sheeting or sitting on commodes for hours "often feeling ashamed and afraid". Misdiagnosis was common.

In addition, morale was low and "while many staff did their best in difficult circumstances, others showed a disturbing lack of compassion towards their patients", he added. "Staff who spoke out felt ignored and there is strong evidence that many were deterred from doing so through fear and bullying."

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

heres just a snippet of the horrors

the trouble is the nurses untion is he bigeest and most powerful and always escapes criticism well not anymore...everyone has stories of neglect at the hands of cruel nurses


The victims of Stafford Hospital
by Keith Wilkinson - last updated Wed 6 Feb 2013
UK Stafford Hospital Mid staffs
The victims of Stafford Hospital Photo: ITV News Central

For years, relatives of several patients who died at Stafford Hospital have been speaking out about the standards of care they received on the wards.

Many were vulnerable and elderly and needed special attention. Yet their families say they were deprived of even the basics - food, water, medicines, and treatment with dignity and humanity.


A tribute wall made by family members and loved ones of patients who have died at Stafford Hospital. Credit: PA

It's thought hundreds of people died after treatment at Stafford Hospital.

Here are the accounts of just four relatives, whose loved ones were the victims of appalling care:

George Dalziel:'What are you doing to him?'


This photograph of George Dalziel was taken just two weeks before his death
George Dalziel died at Stafford Hospital five years ago. His widow, Chris, blames poor care at the hospital for his death.

She says she protested to a member of staff over his rapid decline and weight loss after an operation:

“"The bones on his back were sticking out, like that. And I just said to her: 'What are you doing to him?'."

– Chris Dalziel, widow
Mrs Dalziel says he was left in agony because of mistakes over pain relief and says he didn't get fed properly:

"The epidural had been sited in the wrong place. By this time his legs and his feet had swollen badly.

"He was down to about seven and a half stones. And I think in the end, because he was in so much pain, he had lost so much weight, that he hadn't got the fight in him anymore - to fight the pain."

“"I think in the end, because he was in so much pain, he had lost so much weight, that he hadn't got the fight in him anymore - to fight the pain."

– Chris Dalziel, widow
Joyce Williams: 'She couldn't even stand when she left Stafford'


Joyce Williams went into hospital for an operation on her arm, when she left, she couldn't even stand
Joyce Williams had been a nurse all her life. She didn't actually die at the hospital, but her relatives have similar concerns about the care she received at Stafford.

They believe her care after a broken arm and an infection was appalling.

Her grandaughter, Rebecca Davis, says her death was 'totally unnecessary'.

“"If she had gone in there and just had the arm operated on and just cared for like a human being, she'd be alive."

– Rebecca Davis, grandaughter of Joyce Williams
Ms Davis described how her grandmother's weight just "dropped off" because she wasn't getting enough food.

She says: "They [hospital staff] just put this massive plate of whatever it was from the kitchens in front of them. It normally wasn't what you'd ordered. And they'd say: 'Oh, do you not want that, Mrs Williams?' And off it would go. They just would not make the effort to sit down with her and give her the food."

When she left Stafford Hospital she could not even stand, and was told she would never walk again.

But after moving to a nursing home, her granddaughter says Mrs Williams made remarkable progress:

"With good nursing care, proper food, water, she was up on a frame within a week. They said she would never walk again at Stafford. But she did."

She died a year later.

Ellen Linstead: "It's beyond horrendous. It's soul destroying."


Ellen Linstead contracted a superbug while at Stafford Hospital
Ellen Linstead was admitted to Stafford Hospital after having a fall at home.

She went in for physiotherapy, and was admitted to an open ward.

Relatives of other patients raised concerns that their loved ones had picked up the hospital superbug Clostridium difficile (C. Diff). Mrs Linstead very quickly contracted it too. She had it until the day she died.

Her daughter, Deb Hazeldine, said the bug impacted on all her health:

"She wasn't able to mobilise. She had chronic diarrhoea and really, from that point onwards, she never got better."

Her daughter, who has been fighting the case ever since, says it didn't end with her mother's death.

At the undertakers, her body was in a sealed bag covered in stickers warning it was highly contagious.

"We were allowed a few minutes, a few moments, with my mum. We saw her head protruding from a body bag. And we were allowed to spend a couple of minutes with her, just really to say goodbye. And what they said was 'we now have to put your mum's head back into the body bag and seal it because she is at risk of infecting the ground that she is buried in'. It's beyond horrendous. It's soul destroying."

“"It's beyond horrendous. It's soul destroying."

– Deb Hazeldine, daughter
Bella Bailey: "It was just total neglect"


Bella Bailey was dropped in hospital
Julie Bailey founded the pressure group Cure the NHS _after the treatment her mother received at Stafford Hospital.

She says her mum Bella was accidentally dropped in the hospital - and wasn't given the vital drugs she needed. She says she died a few hours later, after drowning in her own fluid.

She said:

"There were patients going without food and fluids. There were no doctors checking on them. It was just total neglect, particularly of older people.

"And then when I have come out of the hospital, for the last four years, hat's all I have heard about - old people losing their lives in the hospital.

"They didn't have fluids for hours, days, They didn't have food. The staff themselves had a professional responsibility to do something about it.

"They should have spoken out about the poor care they were witnessing. So it was the top to the very bottom that failed my mum. It's a whole system failure."

There is not enough staff, funding or resources,
1 nurse per 9 patients was mentioned this evening on C4 news, and if thats the official number given, then in practice I'm guessing its more like 1 in 15..

[joeysteele]

Nurses are stretched too far and are given far too many patients to attend to. The problem lies with the Managers of Hospitals,there are far too many staff attached to them instead of hands on Nursing staff.
Of course mistakes will be made and shouldn't happen but there is not much you can do if you only have 4 Nurses on a ward where there are between 35 and 40 Patients.

I have 6 Cousins who are Nurses and they are totally shattered by the time their shift ends,that is if they get finished in time.
This Hospital seemed to have a problem that ended up running right through it almost, no doubt other Hospitals will have had similar problems for a time too.

Nurses are given a hard time when things like this occur but what we don't see and hear about are the reprimands and rotten attitude towards Nurses for not getting other duties done and paperwork filled in corectly and handovers done to perfection.
Thingscan and do get overlooked because in a large number of Hospitals Nurses are greatly overstretched.

As in any profession,of course, there will be Nurses who maybe should not have chosen that as a career but overall, they deserve support and also a lot more Nurses are needed as well as a large reduction as to ratio of Nurses to Patients.

That is something the Managers have to deal with, if it fails to happen they they have failed and everyone of them and their attached staff,who in fact contribute near nothing and usually absolutely nothing as to hands on care, should be dismissed when problems such as at Stafford are proven as they have been.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is not enough staff, funding or resources,
1 nurse per 9 patients was mentioned this evening on C4 news, and if thats the official number given, then in practice I'm guessing its more like 1 in 15..

they cannot all hide behind the figures. patients went days without drink, several days lying in faecas, patients starved to death....Im not saying the trust arent to blame too, but there are plenty of immoral nurses who should face prosecution. like everything in the UK it will all happen at once, but not until its politically expedient to do so..25000 people died from clots they picked up in uk hospitals last year due to incompetent nursing negligence....they didnt even take trouble to put the socks on the prevent clots

Ive asked nurses to give swallow tests to patients who hadnt ate or drunlk for weeks and they plain refused...when asking why they replied, thats why....a swallow test takes 5 minutes....this is the tip of an enormous iceberg......in the meantime we are stuck with the lie, all burocrats are evil and uselsss and all nurses are heroes. Ive had horrific experiences with loads of awful nurses (in my various jobs and with regards friends and family) stuff thats utterly disgusts me....one day justice will be served to the trust and the immoral nurses. defending them and showing blind loyalty to ALL nurses regardless of the 1000+ innocent patients who died in stafford as a result of this cruel incompetence is bad for patients and bad for the good nurses who are dragged down by these disgusting nurses

the truth is away from the bog standard royal college of nursing excuse for all nursing negligence , theyre overworked. in reality UK hospitals are 70 dirtier than scandinavia ones where mrsa is 70 times less...our day to day experience of UK nurses is being ignored, seeing them talk amongst themselves , being aggravated when people ask them for assistance and simply ignoring the wishes of patients and their families....
I personally have been lied to by nurses over matters of life and death and Id be prepared to wear to that in any court in the land

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nurses are stretched too far and are given far too many patients to attend to. The problem lies with the Managers of Hospitals,there are far too many staff attached to them instead of hands on Nursing staff.
Of course mistakes will be made and shouldn't happen but there is not much you can do if you only have 4 Nurses on a ward where there are between 35 and 40 Patients.

I have 6 Cousins who are Nurses and they are totally shattered by the time their shift ends,that is if they get finished in time.
This Hospital seemed to have a problem that ended up running right through it almost, no doubt other Hospitals will have had similar problems for a time too.

Nurses are given a hard time when things like this occur but what we don't see and hear about are the reprimands and rotten attitude towards Nurses for not getting other duties done and paperwork filled in corectly and handovers done to perfection.
Thingscan and do get overlooked because in a large number of Hospitals Nurses are greatly overstretched.

As in any profession,of course, there will be Nurses who maybe should not have chosen that as a career but overall, they deserve support and also a lot more Nurses are needed as well as a large reduction as to ratio of Nurses to Patients.

That is something the Managers have to deal with, if it fails to happen they they have failed and everyone of them and their attached staff,who in fact contribute near nothing and usually absolutely nothing as to hands on care, should be dismissed when problems such as at Stafford are proven as they have been.

we hear way too much about the poor nurses and very little about the poor dead patients. we should allow patients voices to be heard and let them state their genuine opinions. The RCN is a corrupt organization that buries tens of thousands of deaths through incompetent nurses. regardless how allegedly overworked the nurses claim to be, allowing patients to starve for days and lie in faecas for longer or die from blood clots that are created by incompetent nursing practices and failure to detect the clots themselves, this is the responsibility of the individual nurses too, they cant blame everything on the system

I work 80 hours a week way more than any nurse and I still cannot use that as an excuse for negligence , incompetence or cruel treatment of people. neither should nurses, if they cant handle the job quit, before they kill more innocent people off

[Kazanne]

We live pretty near to Stafford,I had my babies there,We always thought they were pretty good,but that was before all this came to light,my father died there 4 years ago and have to admit we wonder now if he got the right care,not much we can do about it now but it has made us very wary of the hospital and I guess it would other people too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

we hear way too much about the poor nurses and very little about the poor dead patients. we should allow patients voices to be heard and let them state their genuine opinions. The RCN is a corrupt organization that buries tens of thousands of deaths through incompetent nurses. regardless how allegedly overworked the nurses claim to be, allowing patients to starve for days and lie in faecas for longer or die from blood clots that are created by incompetent nursing practices and failure to detect the clots themselves, this is the responsibility of the individual nurses too, they cant blame everything on the system

I work 80 hours a week way more than any nurse and I still cannot use that as an excuse for negligence , incompetence or cruel treatment of people. neither should nurses, if they cant handle the job quit, before they kill more innocent people off

What you list as to negligence is totally unacceptable I agree, however that is not just down to the Nurses, Wards have Sisters who should be looking out for these things, the other problem can be the bay system in Hospitals now rather than the long ward.
Too many Patients are also out of sight for far too long periods of time.

No one would say the things you mention should happen to anyone in Hospital.
I appreciate also that you say you work 80 hours a week, however you maybe don't have at least 9/10 sick people you have to see to all through that time as well as having endless other duties.

I regret in your earlier post to hear you have been lied to by Nurses as to vital information, that too is wrong and I agree you should be angry at that.

Where I have to part company with you is that you have had it seems very bad experiences with Nursing staff, whereas I on the other hand as to a very ill friend of mine and also My Grandmother when she was in Hospital only had really good action by Nursing staff and also very compassionate too.

I still blame overall the Managers, who actually eat away at resources that could be better used to ensure more hands on care and hopefully then far less of the neglect that you have highlighted in your posts and what has been made known as to this Hospital at Stafford.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What you list as to negligence is totally unacceptable I agree, however that is not just down to the Nurses, Wards have Sisters who should be looking out for these things, the other problem can be the bay system in Hospitals now rather than the long ward.
Too many Patients are also out of sight for far too long periods of time.

No one would say the things you mention should happen to anyone in Hospital.
I appreciate also that you say you work 80 hours a week, however you maybe don't have at least 9/10 sick people you have to see to all through that time as well as having endless other duties.

I regret in your earlier post to hear you have been lied to by Nurses as to vital information, that too is wrong and I agree you should be angry at that.

Where I have to part company with you is that you have had it seems very bad experiences with Nursing staff, whereas I on the other hand as to a very ill friend of mine and also My Grandmother when she was in Hospital only had really good action by Nursing staff and also very compassionate too.

I still blame overall the Managers, who actually eat away at resources that could be better used to ensure more hands on care and hopefully then far less of the neglect that you have highlighted in your posts and what has been made known as to this Hospital at Stafford.

thanks for saying that its much appreciated

everyone is guilty by associtation in this disgusting hospital. no one is wholly innocent imho. even the good nurses who failed to report what was in effect the equivalent of mass murder on a sesmic scale

Ive written to my mp a few times about nurses negligence and cruel incompetence, they have no one to blame but themselves and no buck to pass either

as for managers. for one they should have to visit their wards daily
the trust members Ive met in some areas and their attitude is abysmal
you also have some mindless rules and laws passed by mps
where the patient care is diagnosed as either a social need or a health need
this means for the rest of that persons care the social services and the trust argue and pass the buck back and forth over who cares for the patients and who pays fo it. this results in pain misery and endless disruption for the patient and their families

the mps also have a system where people are not allowed to use their private health isnurance to pay towards their care paid for by the trust or social services? this saves insurance companies billions and wastes billlions for the nhs

also bed blocking? its mindless. people wait weeks months maybe years to get the right scans and tests, to diagnose whats wrong with them...in the meantime they get worse, they take loads of unnecessary medication, and loads of time in hospital beds. this wastes nhs 10000s of wasted hours.

the bets way forward is to pump way more money into making it easier for patients to get the tests and screenings as soon as possible

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THE NHS WILL SURVIVE AND THRIVE...FORGET YOU HEARD IT HERE ON THIS WEBSITE WHAT IM TELLING U IS REVILUTIONARY AND ALL THE SO CALLED BRAINIACS IN WESTMINSTER AND THE NHS HAVE FAILED TO ACCURATELY RECOGNISE THIS OBVIOUS PROBLEM.....PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE....PUMP THE BILLIONS INTO KEEPING SCANNING MACHINES (THAT TEST FOR BLOOD CLOTS, KIDNEY STONES, MRI, CANCER ETC) AND IN TIME IT WOULD SAVE THE NHS TENS OF BILLIONS IN BED BLOCKING WASTED STAFF HOURS AND WASTED MEDICATION ANTI BIOTICS ETC

THERE must be more joined up thinking

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We live pretty near to Stafford,I had my babies there,We always thought they were pretty good,but that was before all this came to light,my father died there 4 years ago and have to admit we wonder now if he got the right care,not much we can do about it now but it has made us very wary of the hospital and I guess it would other people too.

I am very sorry to hear that Kazanne, may he rest in peace xxxxxxx

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by the truth

I am very sorry to hear that Kazanne, may he rest in peace xxxxxxx

Thankyou for that the truth

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We live pretty near to Stafford,I had my babies there,We always thought they were pretty good,but that was before all this came to light,my father died there 4 years ago and have to admit we wonder now if he got the right care,not much we can do about it now but it has made us very wary of the hospital and I guess it would other people too.

Sorry to hear that, Kaz.

[Nedusa]

Hundreds of patients have died prematurely most due to failings in basic care and provision of basic medical requirements. The figures make for shocking reading and now five other NHS trust Hospitals are now set for similar enquiries.

And to make matters worse the man who managed the Staffs Hospital has been rewarded for his incompetence by being promoted to actual head of all of the NHS.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried, this in very real terms could be the final scandal of the NHS and could be the one that finally brings about its demise in its current form.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We live pretty near to Stafford,I had my babies there,We always thought they were pretty good,but that was before all this came to light,my father died there 4 years ago and have to admit we wonder now if he got the right care,not much we can do about it now but it has made us very wary of the hospital and I guess it would other people too.

That is really sad to hear Kazanne, I am sure it would make you all wary of that Hospital.
Rightly so too.
I do feel also that especially as Hospitals are understaffed, the Staff should be more open to allowing families and friends to do more, if they wish to, as to their families when in Hospital.
My Parents were allowed to spend a lot of time with my Grandmother and the staff were grateful for that too, however I do accept there are hospitals and ward staff who don't listen to members of family of Patients which can also cause other problems as well rather than just about treatment.
My Parents for instance, made sure Grandma got her food and always had fresh water/drinks at her bedside.
They were also able to take her to the toilet for instance,without needing staff to do so while they were there.

Again, I do feel it is down to the Managers in the main, I also 100% agree with the truth when he said,Managers should be made to visit wards daily. Absolutely right.
I understand from talking to older people who have worked in the NHS in the past, that when there were Matrons, you never knew when she would be coming to your ward. The staff always had things as if she'd walk in any moment, knowing full well she would see anything that could even be in the slightest way wrong or inappropriate on a ward.

I also know there are staff who have never seen a Manager of a Hospital on a ward even after working there for years.
I would even dare bet some Managers would need to be taken to specific wards,not even knowing how to get to them, as likely they and the staff attached to them rarely can direct you should you ask one of them.

So I think it looks a bit like to me, that decades ago, we had the answers to the problems but over time we have again created questions as to the best way of ensuring good care, treatment and competence in the NHS.
The new reforms going through the NHS are only going to create more problems as even less staff become even more overworked and stressed out.

Going into hospital should be one the safest places you can expect to do so if you have to to go there,this Hospital has failed on so many issues it seems that really I would likely clear the lot out of it and start again.
How the Manager remains intact is beyond me completely.

Interviewed last night he was asked if he had visited the wards in question, many times he was asked it too, all he said was he had visited wards in the Hospital.
Well, to me,had he visited them, then he would have been able to confidently say yes to that question, the fact he sidelined around the question shows he gets the salary for the job and accepts any accolades but has not done his job even to a fair standard as to that hospital never mind even just doing a good job.

A long way from doing an excellent job as a Manager in my view and if he is not doing an excellent job then his head should be the first to roll and he would already be gone for me, even before any other decisions are made as to this particular Hospital.

[Kizzy]

Of course it is the management, cutting costs due to reduced or restricted funding having to stick to ridiculous guidelines at the cost of patient care.
it really ammoys me when it is those who are struggling to maintain patient care and have clinical experience who are expected tho take the blame for decisions that were out of their control.

my view is this is again subderfuge... the government want certain PCT's to fail... and due to the lack of resources they have brought one or two to their knees. Now here's where they have been very clever... one of the 'sanctions' for these highlighted hospitals on 'special measures' is closure...
Well isn't that what the government want? are the public not playing right into their hands in accepting this as an acceptable course of action?
Does it not then mean that we have ourselves have given the green light to further privatisation of the NHS?
Should we not be furious at why these hospitals were not adequately maintained as to provide the required level of patient care in the first place?...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it is the management, cutting costs due to reduced or restricted funding having to stick to ridiculous guidelines at the cost of patient care.
it really ammoys me when it is those who are struggling to maintain patient care and have clinical experience who are expected tho take the blame for decisions that were out of their control.

my view is this is again subderfuge... the government want certain PCT's to fail... and due to the lack of resources they have brought one or two to their knees. Now here's where they have been very clever... one of the 'sanctions' for these highlighted hospitals on 'special measures' is closure...
Well isn't that what the government want? are the public not playing right into their hands in accepting this as an acceptable course of action?
Does it not then mean that we have ourselves have given the green light to further privatisation of the NHS?
Should we not be furious at why these hospitals were not adequately maintained as to provide the required level of patient care in the first place?...

you refuse to accept any repsonsibility whatsoever at all for nursing negligence, that is totallt unacceptable. this abuse by nurses has gone on for years , people who are on this website have stated their friends or relatives have been abused including my own, yet you ignore it coldly. this is multi faceted corruption abuse and failure , everyone is tainted everyone is guilty by assocation including a vast number of nurses who should be prosecuted. it will happen one day and when it does I shall be cheering them all the way to prison. this is manslaughter on a massive scale by any other name and thousands have died through nursing neglect and abuse. the truth will out.

[Amy Jade]

Nurses may be stretched but some are just plain lazy.

I have family who are nurses so I have no biase at all, good nurses are a credit to their profession, but bad ones are a disgrace. When my ex boyfriends Grandad had a stroke the nurse dealing with him was at best, utterly worthless.

He was left without food one day because she stated he was 'refusing food' which was not the case, another patient in the ward told us the nurse had put the food on a side table and left it there until it was removed, a man a few days after a stroke can not feed himself, he's not being difficult he is physically unable.

Another patient on the ward had told my ex Mum she had asked to use the bathroom an hour before, the same nurse had left the woman claiming to be busy yet we watched her chat and eat quality street for almost 20 minutes, finally my ex Mum went and spoke to the nurse and finally the poor woman was brought a commode.

Sadly he died but to this day I believe he could have pulled through or at least had a more dignified end if that nurse had not been such a lazy waster. Nothing came of it, the hospital backed her up of course but in my eyes it was all out neglect.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

you refuse to accept any repsonsibility whatsoever at all for nursing negligence, that is totallt unacceptable. this abuse by nurses has gone on for years , people who are on this website have stated their friends or relatives have been abused including my own, yet you ignore it coldly. this is multi faceted corruption abuse and failure , everyone is tainted everyone is guilty by assocation including a vast number of nurses who should be prosecuted. it will happen one day and when it does I shall be cheering them all the way to prison. this is manslaughter on a massive scale by any other name and thousands have died through nursing neglect and abuse. the truth will out.

I don't have to accept responsibility for anything...
I haven't ignored it coldly either, I just don't rubbish a whole profession due to a couple of bad experiences.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't have to accept responsibility for anything...
I haven't ignored it coldly either, I just don't rubbish a whole profession due to a couple of bad experiences.

a couple? that is plain offensive to all the family and friends of the thousands who have died due to this gisgusting nursing neglect in stafford and many other failing hospitals....11 in this report but this is systematic across the nation. the nurisng union is way too powerful and politicians have sucked up to them way too lomg just for votes. its pathetic and as proved its beyond dangerous. these nurses disgust me. to think of them ignoring patients who have died of thirst in a british hospital, lying in faecas for weeks, going without the correct medication, 25000 dying of clots picked up in hospitals due to nursing neglect, DNR's that have been placed on beds to in effect allow people to die without consulting families at all....

the list of abuse is horrific....This is just the beginning. I genuinely sincerely hope you personally look into this and dont be complacent for yourself or your friends and family , because this abuse can happen to any innocent person at any time. some people have gone into hospital with a chest infection and come out in a body bag. Once youre in that situation you slowly fall apart and youre too weak and confused to get help, to get answers or even basic compassion, Ive seen it, like tens of thousands of others....this isnt about money , this is about morals and values...the nhs must stop recruiting people who want to be nurses until they show they have the right level of compassion, care, empathy and all the other qualities we expect from nurses... this failure and cover up is one of the biggest in british history. it has been hiddden for many years but slowly but surely the truth will pour out like volcanic lava