[the truth]

Which is the greatest of these 2 scoreses gangster masterpieces?

Its hard to believe but they were only made 5 years apart, yet goodfellas feels a throwback to the 70's/80's

Both imho are sensational movies, the stories, the books, the cinematography, the cast, the directing, everything , just awesome

on IMDB goodfellas has 8.8 out of 10....one of the highest scores in movie history, casino has a healthy 8.2 out of 10

goodfellas is movie history, it created a movie style and genre all of its own for future generations of movie makers.

However i would argue that IF scorsese had edited out about 40 minutes of sharon stones domestic tantrums, then casino would have been as good if not better.....as 80% of casino is just awesome

I watched it in the cinema and its the most exciting cinema experience Ive had. even the bit where deniro gets blown up in the opening credits, you knew this would be a hell of a ride

Whilst pesci is in full psycho mode, james woods plays a fantastic cameo as a dentist chasing loser,don rickles is great too, theres a long list of legendary italian/american actors whove starred in goodfellas, raging bull, etc

But for me the diamond here is deniro...hes not playing a real gangster here, hes a gambling maths genius.the role he plays in casino as sam "ace" rothstein is just cinematically awesome, the attention to detail, the way his genius built up the vegas gambling strip for the gaangsters, meanwhile him being jewish , despite being nicknamed the golden jew, hes always an outsider who has to quell his gangster friends.

his attention to detail, like deniro himself, is mindboggling, the man weighed every showgirl, measured the number of currents in every fruit bun,tested the hardness of the floor on basketball courts before giving odds. test drove every yokel on the gambling floor, oversaw every camera, every cheater, meanwhile as he made the mafia millions he wasnt even allowed a license to work in nevada....so changed his job every other month.

In the meantime he has to fight his gold digging missus every 5 minutes as she bleeds his fortune

so what happened to scorseses legendary editor thelma schoonmaker here? cut sharon stones endless blubberings and you have an all time classic
very few actors could have played . To be frank your heart actually bleeds for this man. Only a legendary actor could make your heart bleed for the man who built up the mobs vegas empire.

[Josy]

Goodfellas

[Alf]

Goodfellas
that movie is a true masterpiece, casino's just not as good, but still not a bad film.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Goodfellas
that movie is a true masterpiece, casino's just not as good, but still not a bad film.

you think Im a funny guy?

[Smithy]

thought this was a thread about pizza

[Shaun]

must get around to watching Casino... loved Goodfellas though.

[Kizzy]

Both crap, I hate films that glamorise crime.

[Shaun]

lol..

[Josy]

Have you watched Goodfellas Kizzy?

[Kizzy]

Of course I have, why would I comment if I hadn't? They're not my cup of tea but can see the appeal some.

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Both crap, I hate films that glamorise crime.

A Clockwork Orange fan, everybody

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course I have, why would I comment if I hadn't? They're not my cup of tea but can see the appeal some.

Fair enough, I find it a bit odd you have images in your sig/avy from a movie that inspired real life crimes but then say these 2 glamorise it.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

Fair enough, I find it a bit odd you have images in your sig/avy from a movie that inspired real life crimes but then say these 2 glamorise it.

kizzy just trying to be controversial again, but ultimately hypocritical
casino and goodfellas are real life stories. they dont glamourize crime, in fact they show the ups and downs and how it all ends in total ruination. theyre amazingly well made, brilliantly scripted and acted movies. the detail and intertwining of the history, the individual stories is unparalelled in america movies. the amount of work that must have gone into these movies and sopranos that followed must have been enormous. neither of these films encourages crime, it simply tells the story of these crime syndicates. it exposes the corruption and exploitation and tries to get the the truth and reality , just as most great movies do.

I would actually argue that awful shows like eastenders glamourize crime more. Its only mainstream tv every day, the criminals get awya with endless crimes and try to pass it off as reality? at least the criminals in scorseses movies usually get some justice one way or another. theyre far more realisitc brilliantly told detailed crime stories.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Fair enough, I find it a bit odd you have images in your sig/avy from a movie that inspired real life crimes but then say these 2 glamorise it.

Snoopy?...

[Josy]

Yeah snoopy is a right evil twat yknow.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah snoopy is a right evil twat yknow.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah snoopy is a right evil twat yknow.

I'm just messin, you mean 'A clockwork orange' that film was a satirical look into the future, the whole film was a metaphor, as was 'Natural born killers' another fave of mine.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm just messin, you mean 'A clockwork orange' that film was a satirical look into the future, the whole film was a metaphor, as was 'Natural born killers' another fave of mine.

I know what "A Clockwork Orange" was about but it had very violent scenes and actually inspired real life crimes thats why I thought it was odd.

[the truth]

wow kizzy became insincere and disingenuous? whata surprise. so predictable to shallow so tedious. whatever happened to sincerity and integrity

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

wow kizzy became insincere and disingenuous? whata surprise. so predictable to shallow so tedious. whatever happened to sincerity and integrity

Thats the second time you have used that word tonight did you copy and paste it off livias post this afternoon?.... pop off before I report you.
Not located the ignore function yet then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

I know what "A Clockwork Orange" was about but it had very violent scenes and actually inspired real life crimes thats why I thought it was odd.

It did but the context was totally different, it was not recreating real life crime in the film if you know what I mean, it was not in anyway based on real life events and it was totally not the intention of the film to inspire any violent act.

[Brother Leon]

Beware the report button guys!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Beware the report button guys!

what film do you prefer?

[Niamh.]

hhhmmm I actually preferred Casino, both were brilliant though

[AnnieK]

Goodfellas...although both fantastic films....