[Jack_]

Youtube video

This guy's a spoken word poet. His other video 'Why I Hate School But Love Education' went viral last year (and is also brilliant). This is a new one.

I like him, he's got a good and thought-provoking outlook on the world.

[lostalex]

Sounds like someone too lazy to learn what he was meant to learn to me.

Here's some spoken word for you...

You lazy twat.
study and get a good grade cause your parents gave you a good start.
you stupid foooking cooont, stop pretending that making a lame ass poem excuses your laziness.
You lazy bitch, Yes, YOU.


Someone praise me for my ART now plzzz.

[lostalex]

If you think that guy is brilliant than you are even stupider(yes i know that's not a word, it's poetic) than you look Jack.

[Jack_]

Way to miss the point. But then again, that doesn't surprise me.



Nothing more stupid than that

[Withano]

Hes gonna pretty shocked then when he finds out that qualifications mean more than Twitter followers when he applies for a job once his parents start charging rent.

Could that intro even be anymore conceited if he tried.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you think that guy is brilliant than you are even stupider(yes i know that's not a word, it's poetic) than you look Jack.

There's no need to insult people over differing views.

[Niall]

I wholeheartedly agree with his message. I always feel like school is nothing more than a never-ending cycle of learning the tricks to pass the next exam, rather than learning the actual subject.

Exams aren't a good way to asses the intelligence of a child anyway. I mean you need only look at the worldwide leaderboards of national education systems to see that. Finland, a country where all students only take one standardised test in the entirety of school, is currently ranked as the top system in the world. That says it all really, doesn't it?

[Livia]

When someone else with a better degree at the interview gets the job he really wants, perhaps he can have a rethink. Maybe by then he won't be young enough to know everything.

[Apple202]

ugh i keep seeing this being shared on my newsfeed by a load of chavs

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niall

I wholeheartedly agree with his message. I always feel like school is nothing more than a never-ending cycle of learning the tricks to pass the next exam, rather than learning the actual subject.

Exams aren't a good way to asses the intelligence of a child anyway. I mean you need only look at the worldwide leaderboards of national education systems to see that. Finland, a country where all students only take one standardised test in the entirety of school, is currently ranked as the top system in the world. That says it all really, doesn't it?

Agree that too much emphasis is placed on understanding examination techniques...but I do think that exams are decent ways to assess educational ability. Not overall intelligence or anything but it makes sense that students are required to apply their knowledge to a variety of contexts, and not just learn the textbook word-for-word.

Haven't heard a lot about Finland's educational approach and they probably do have a more efficient, sensible approach but how do they work? Are they suited more towards cognitive abilities or specific educational curricula?

[Conzors]

I agree to some extent.
School is school - you learn what is taught to you, its not meant to teach you about survival or how to get a boyfriend, it cant cater to each individual and what they want to learn because with so many pupils that's impossible.

You do learn some crap at school though - so learning about more useful subjects would be better, but yet different people are going to want to know different things, hense why high school trys to cater to everyone with having such a broad diverse range of things to learn, then by college and uni you narrow it down to what you want to learn.

But i agree with all the irony bits though.

[Jamie585]

I do agree with this to some extent, i mean i try my hardest but still end up with average grades, i don't enjoy the subjects i am doing and I'm never going to do any of them in uni so why should i bother carrying on? when i can go and do a diploma in a course i really enjoy but isn't 'intellectually challenging' but works out for me.

[lostalex]

It's always hilarious to me how children really do think they are smarter than adults. I remember when I thought that.

Young people are incapable of seeing their own ignorance. All young people, always.

The more you know, the more you realize how little you know. It's crazy how it works that way.

The more confident you are in your beliefs and opinions, the less confident you should be. As a 31 y/o I'm just beginning to realize that.

[InOne]

Another hit to the 'Urban yoof'

[King Gizzard]

If you have the ability then surely education and exams will come easy..all about the effort really

So I'm not sure if I really agree with this or not, and exams are a good way to make sure people do actually learn what they're being teached

Not that I did well at A-level mind

[Mystic Mock]

I agree that exams shouldn't limit your options as to what jobs you can get if you don't do that well.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I agree that exams shouldn't limit your options as to what jobs you can get if you don't do that well.

So you don't think that the hard working kids who played by the rules, did what it took to study hard and get good grades, you don't think that those kids should be rewarded more than the moaners who think writing a poem and doing drugs and screwing around learning about about "life on the streets".

Screwing around, writing poetry, and blaming society and adults for all of your problems is NOT hard work. In fact that's the most simple and easy thing to do when you are that age. Why should that laziness be rewarded in any way?

Sorry, but that's just silly. And it sets a ridiculous example.

Basically the idiot child in this video is saying that we should value STYLE over SUBSTANCE.

[Jords]

Exams are ****e really, its just a memory test soon after you forget most of it. Coursework is the way forward in my opinion. But education is important and so whilst exams need to be sat best keep revising LOL.

[Marsh.]

He does have a point.

Especially when I went to college, there was less of a focus on actual general education and it's all about memory tests. Remember just enough to pass an exam but lost out on real education because the teachers are only bothered about keeping their pass rates up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nathan

If you have the ability then surely education and exams will come easy..all about the effort really

So I'm not sure if I really agree with this or not, and exams are a good way to make sure people do actually learn what they're being teached

Not that I did well at A-level mind

[Withano]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If you think that guy is brilliant than you are even stupider(yes i know that's not a word, it's poetic) than you look Jack.

People who call others stupid before learning the difference between then and than... Fantastic work.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jords

Exams are ****e really, its just a memory test soon after you forget most of it. Coursework is the way forward in my opinion. But education is important and so whilst exams need to be sat best keep revising LOL.

..Coursework does count for part of the pass but I agree with you that exams are not really the way in my opinion..everyone learns differently, yet everyone takes exams the same way..some people are very bright but suffer from exam anxiety or they could have things going on in their personal lives which they're struggling with..there are many things which can have an effect on exam results, yet don't necessarily reflect any knowledge that person has...maybe eventually the whole exam process will be looked at, it's something that is often discussed in the Education Authorities....

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Redway

Agree that too much emphasis is placed on understanding examination techniques...but I do think that exams are decent ways to assess educational ability. Not overall intelligence or anything but it makes sense that students are required to apply their knowledge to a variety of contexts, and not just learn the textbook word-for-word.

Haven't heard a lot about Finland's educational approach and they probably do have a more efficient, sensible approach but how do they work? Are they suited more towards cognitive abilities or specific educational curricula?

They are useful yes, but there's using them and then there's being dependant on them. This country is the latter unfortunately, and the amount of stress and anxiety it causes in students is but one example of why that's wrong. Not to mention that it's not the most effective way of teaching kids (as proven by Finland).

Their main ethos is doing 'whatever it takes' to educate the child. They spend whatever amount of resources it takes on the children to make sure all of them receive the proper education they need. All teachers are required to have a masters in education (which is paid for by the state), and are afforded the same level of respect as a Doctor or a Lawyer. Another key concept they have is the environment of a comprehensive and equal education: special needs kids are put in as much as possible with normal kids, all the children go to the same school and aren't separated according to ability etc. Teachers are afforded an enormous amount of autonomy in their techniques too, and the national curriculum their is a guideline rather than something that is enforced.

It's all detailed in this article actually (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people...uccessful.html). It's quite long, but it makes for a very thought provoking read.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niall

They are useful yes, but there's using them and then there's being dependant on them. This country is the latter unfortunately, and the amount of stress and anxiety it causes in students is but one example of why that's wrong. Not to mention that it's not the most effective way of teaching kids (as proven by Finland).

Their main ethos is doing 'whatever it takes' to educate the child. They spend whatever amount of resources it takes on the children to make sure all of them receive the proper education they need. All teachers are required to have a masters in education (which is paid for by the state), and are afforded the same level of respect as a Doctor or a Lawyer. Another key concept they have is the environment of a comprehensive and equal education: special needs kids are put in as much as possible with normal kids, all the children go to the same school and aren't separated according to ability etc. Teachers are afforded an enormous amount of autonomy in their techniques too, and the national curriculum their is a guideline rather than something that is enforced.

It's all detailed in this article actually (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people...uccessful.html). It's quite long, but it makes for a very thought provoking read.

Thanks. I'll have a read of that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I agree that exams shouldn't limit your options as to what jobs you can get if you don't do that well.

To be honest, if people don't have the ability to do well on exams, it does seem rational that only certain jobs should be available. The workforce is competitive, so employers would rather pick the ones who get the higher grades (A*, A, B) over average - below average ones, if it's a specialised course (e.g. investment banking). It just shows that the person in question is able to think logically and with a sound financial understanding (in that case).

It may well be that there are those who do understand the concepts and would be suited to such a job but struggle to apply their information in exams but getting Cs and Ds don't really prove that with our current system, which is a shame. Certainly not over those with better grades. And then there are loads with those kind of grades who absolutely would not be suited to that kind of work, whereas those who do better provide far more evidence for their suitability for it.