[arista]

Originally Posted by Marc

It's about to be sold

yes get it done
but Unions want Strike - the feckers


[The Government has confirmed plans to float the Royal Mail
"in the coming weeks" in the most ambitious privatisation
for a generation and one that could anger postal workers.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-sell-off.html

[Kizzy]

Postal workers will now be on minimum wage 0hr contacts.
Once again we have the dis assembling of another organisation that was essential as part of the fundamental framework for communication .... So that's, industry, utilities and public services. The next will be the NHS within the year as that will complete the undermining of UK infrastructure.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Postal workers will now be on minimum wage 0hr contacts.
Once again we have the dis assembling of another organisation that was essential as part of the fundamental framework for communication .... So that's, industry, utilities and public services. The next will be the NHS within the year as that will complete the undermining of UK infrastructure.

"Vince Cable insisted 6-day-a-week
service will be protected by the sale
Biggest government sell-off since the railways in the 1990s
Unions are bitterly opposed and have threatened strike action"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2egTmkoLo



Kizzy the Post Office is not Touched.


This is a Royal Mail Division Sell off on the open market.

It can only get better
I would prefer to pay more and know it gets there fast.

[Nemo123]

The latest part in the disassembly of the Welfare State that started with BT and Thatcher in the '80s and will finally be finished when the Health Service is completely privatised. It's the reversal of all that was progressive after the War and what Ken Loach and to a lesser degree Paul O'Grady rail about. And at the same time economists warn of a return to serfdom.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by arista

"Vince Cable insisted 6-day-a-week
service will be protected by the sale
Biggest government sell-off since the railways in the 1990s
Unions are bitterly opposed and have threatened strike action"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2egTmkoLo



Kizzy the Post Office is not Touched.


This is a Royal Mail Division Sell off on the open market.

It can only get better
I would prefer to pay more and know it gets there fast.

If you think your postal service is bad, then you should come and live in Ireland.
Experience should have told you, what with bins, water, et cetera, that you'll pay more and the service will probably be worse.

[Livia]

If you've ever visited a sorting office to retrieve a bit of undelivered mail, it'll tell you all you need to know about why the Royal Mail has been killed off by the very people whose jobs depend on it. The service is just awful and getting worse by the day. I still don't get my post at work until late in the afternoon, and sometimes it's not delivered at all and we get two lots the next afternoon. I know a couple of people who work for Royal Mail, and they'll tell you quite openly that they do the bare minimum then go home. It's not sustainable.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you've ever visited a sorting office to retrieve a bit of undelivered mail, it'll tell you all you need to know about why the Royal Mail has been killed off by the very people whose jobs depend on it. The service is just awful and getting worse by the day. I still don't get my post at work until late in the afternoon, and sometimes it's not delivered at all and we get two lots the next afternoon. I know a couple of people who work for Royal Mail, and they'll tell you quite openly that they do the bare minimum then go home. It's not sustainable.

In Ireland that'll be all the time, if it's something bigger than an envelope. You'll get your post some time during the day, if you're lucky, not before or after midday, like you have. Whenever I order anything mail order from GB, which is quite a lot actually, the service is brilliant, always, though I have to order it through Northern Ireland, because the Irish Mail is so ****.

[Nemo123]

I hear the British complain about the Royal Mail, The Tube, The Health Service, The Welfare Service, et cetera. The RM is great, the Tube too, both of which I've used, the Health Service is SO GOOD, and fair, my in-law returns to Belfast to avail of it (from the Irish Rep.). You don't know when you're well off. Sometimes the govt. just doesn't invest and lets the service run down to soften the public up for its privatisation. Then it's privatised, costs more, is worse, and fills a void in the govt's coffers, and everything the public owned is sold from them in a leveraged buy out which they pay for themselves.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you've ever visited a sorting office to retrieve a bit of undelivered mail, it'll tell you all you need to know about why the Royal Mail has been killed off by the very people whose jobs depend on it. The service is just awful and getting worse by the day. I still don't get my post at work until late in the afternoon, and sometimes it's not delivered at all and we get two lots the next afternoon. I know a couple of people who work for Royal Mail, and they'll tell you quite openly that they do the bare minimum then go home. It's not sustainable.

Oh, I forgot to mention the Ch4 documentary earlier this year, about private mail companies. Didn't see it, just the promotion with the bored staff kicking the mail about.

If a business is desirous enough to want to be owned and is sold to a hedge fund or whatever vampire sucking profiteers, then it should be making money for the taxpayer and providing decent self-respecting jobs to people.

[arista]

Kizzy I hope you watched Question Time
as after 30mins wasted on Syria

They went to Royal Mail Public Sell off
and the panel was in favour of it
except the Labour twat (who gets his facts wrong)
and the Green - nobody bitch

Its repeated this morning at 10AM on BBC2

[Nedusa]

I would never trust any package or letter that was of real importance to me to be delivered through the normal postal service, chances are it would either be lost, stolen or delivered to the wrong person.

Truth is most people do not trust the Royal Mail for a variety of reasons . A real overhaul is long overdue, like the delivery of most of their letters.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Oh, I forgot to mention the Ch4 documentary earlier this year, about private mail companies. Didn't see it, just the promotion with the bored staff kicking the mail about.

If a business is desirous enough to want to be owned and is sold to a hedge fund or whatever vampire sucking profiteers, then it should be making money for the taxpayer and providing decent self-respecting jobs to people.

Exactly this has happened in every organisation, privatised companies all relay on the same equation low wage high profit margin for the shareholders.
To suggest it's the fault of the workforce for this is wrong, it's a huge backwards step whichever way you look at it.

[joeysteele]

I am still against this sell off of any part of Royal Mail. I firmly believe it should remain as it is and of course be made even more efficient,that applies to anywhere really, there are always ways to improve things.

As for Vince Cable's guarantees, there is a great reason not to trust this sell off, I wouldn't now believe a word he says as to anything anyway.
I really think the Country should be asked on this one, do we want to see the sell off the Royal Mail,I actually think the result would surprise the Govt and others because I think the vote would be a no.
Of course that is never going to happen but for me Labour is right to oppose this measure.

I just hope this lot is well and truly turfed out in 2015 before they can start to add the NHS to their selling off programme too after running it into the ground again.
Selling off any part of Royal Mail is a very bad decision in my view and just watch costs soar too after it is done as they did after Gas and Electricity were sold off too.

[arista]

"As for Vince Cable's guarantees"


Thats the Law,the sell off is backed by no change
just a better service
& public shares.


Joey you are Wrong

[arista]

"the Country should be asked on this one"


And if they Vote for Sell Off
you would have to say sorry

[Kizzy]

You can always tell when the conservatives are going to privatise something as organisations that were always championed as stalwarts and the 'backbone of Britain' and other soundbites are suddenly thrust into the public eye with the focus on their supposed 'failings'....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"the Country should be asked on this one"


And if they Vote for Sell Off
you would have to say sorry

Not really as I would always accept the will of the people even if it goes against my own view and even if it is a strongly held view too.

[arista]

Vince Cable: 'Today is an important day in the
life of Royal Mail. People can now apply to buy shares
in this iconic British brand'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mar...#ixzz2g5fKGMl5


[ on October 11 and start trading unconditionally on October 15. The business is likely to enter the stock market just outside the FTSE 100.]

[Kizzy]

What's Vince Cable so excited about it for, is he grapping a chunk?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's Vince Cable so excited about it for, is he grapping a chunk?

No Kizzy
All workers can get Free Shares

[arista]

[£3.3bn Royal Mail privatisation pushed
through ahead of possible strike
Shares to be priced between 260p
and 330p in listing on 11 October – 12 days before
earliest legal strike date.]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tion-flotation


Good Move.

[Kizzy]

So that's good isn't it free shares?...
Now let's look at this business model as it usually plays out.
The new company takes on existing staff, they keep their contracts. The company then announces redundancies, they then recruit more staff on temporary contracts or rely on 'agency' workers.

[arista]

Yes Market Forces Kizzy


Amazon UK does the same


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[joeysteele]

I still think this is an awful decision, just watch postal costs rise even more now as they have with everything that has been privatised in the past.

The people should have had a say in this, the rushing through of it too, also makes me really suspicious.
However even the Labour party hasn't really come out strongly enough agaisnt this in the past so this is something else the public will likely come to regret happening in time.

[arista]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...uy-shares.html

48hours left
min amount needed is £750


"A minimum investment of £750 could result
in an instant profit of around £300 after
the float if analysts’ predictions are correct."


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