[Ammi]

..although I'm glad how things evolved the way they did in that it was very revealing about Jemima's character, the whole thing was escalated by Jackie feeling the need to explain Charlie's behaviour in her tactless comment to Hazel and then going on to reveal some very personal stuff about Charlie, when in fact Charlie had already spoken to Hazel herself...what is Charlie, mid twenties..?...did Jackie have the right to tell the HMs that stuff, was it not something that should have only been Charlie's decision...how would you have felt if it was your parent revealing things which you consider very personal...?....

[JTM45]

It was very silly on Jackie's part to come out with those things but i can understand why she did it.
It was actually quite interesting because it seems like both Charlie and her mother don't know when they've said enough. When Charlie was talking in the treehouse about apologising to Hazel both her mother and (i think?) Callum told her to just say sorry and leave it at that and she totally agreed but when she eventually plucked up the courage in the kitchen area she said "Sorry" and it was all fine but then she started going back over everything she had agreed not to when she asked for advice earlier!!!! So frustrating!!!
As much as i like Charlie and Jackie i fear we're going to see lots more situations where we end up screaming "Just stop NOW!!!!" at the TV.

[thesheriff443]

when you sign up to big brother you sign away any rights to privacy, she also said Charlie had a serious drug problem not long ago!, which I would consider more personal than anything that was said last night.

there was a time when the sun would encourage people that knew house mates to dish the dirt, but now there is no need as housemates do it them self's.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It was very silly on Jackie's part to come out with those things but i can understand why she did it.
It was actually quite interesting because it seems like both Charlie and her mother don't know when they've said enough. When Charlie was talking in the treehouse about apologising to Hazel both her mother and (i think?) Callum told her to just say sorry and leave it at that and she totally agreed but when she eventually plucked up the courage in the kitchen area she said "Sorry" and it was all fine but then she started going back over everything she had agreed not to when she asked for advice earlier!!!! So frustrating!!!
As much as i like Charlie and Jackie i fear we're going to see lots more situations where we end up screaming "Just stop NOW!!!!" at the TV.

..yeah, I agree, I smiled at the irony of Jackie telling Charlie to just not try to explain it much and just say sorry etc and then she tells the group all that personal stuff about Charlie as a way of explaining her behaviour...I do understand a mothers instinct to protect as well but I also think that most mothers know when to speak and when not to because a child has to learn for themselves, however hard it is to stand back sometimes...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

when you sign up to big brother you sign away any rights to privacy, she also said Charlie had a serious drug problem not long ago!, which I would consider more personal than anything that was said last night.

there was a time when the sun would encourage people that knew house mates to dish the dirt, but now there is no need as housemates do it them self's.

Yes of course but at 26 surely that is Charlie's story to tell? Having said that Charlie didn't seem to concerned that such personal aspects of her life were being aired, I just felt Jackie could have said Charlie had a tough life and left it at that, I know Jemima was annoying and hard to ignore, not sure if Jackie was tipsy when she came out with all that stuff, but Jemima doesn't seem capable of holding her drink at all and her reaction was the catalyst to the whole thing at any rate. I think she has sealed her fate and will be gone on Friday after last night.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I agree, I smiled at the irony of Jackie telling Charlie to just not try to explain it much and just say sorry etc and then she tells the group all that personal stuff about Charlie as a way of explaining her behaviour...I do understand a mothers instinct to protect as well but I also think that most mothers know when to speak and when not to because a child has to learn for themselves, however hard it is to stand back sometimes...

I think Jackie was right to say what she did, she should of went further and told that old trollop jem to stop chasing little boys, and with a voice like a screeching parrot she needs to go.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes of course but at 26 surely that is Charlie's story to tell? Having said that Charlie didn't seem to concerned that such personal aspects of her life were being aired, I just felt Jackie could have said Charlie had a tough life and left it at that, I know Jemima was annoying and hard to ignore, not sure if Jackie was tipsy when she came out with all that stuff, but Jemima doesn't seem capable of holding her drink at all and her reaction was the catalyst to the whole thing at any rate. I think she has sealed her fate and will be gone on Friday after last night.

true jem cant hold her drink, and turns everything into being said to be about her.

[Marc]

I don't think it was bad of her to say it. I guess people start to forget about the cameras after a couple of weeks. I think Jackie's mothering instincts just kicked in.

[Niamh.]

Probably not but she was just being a protective mom

[Shaun]

To be honest the story about the grandparent dying would have been just as personal for Jackie to reveal so I don't see why not.

[GiRTh]

No. It was none of Jemima's business. There was a bit of one upmanship in that argument it was pathetic IMO. Charlie should be able to fight her own battles anyway and doesn't need Jackie revealing personal information in order to win an argument.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

No. It was none of Jemima's business. There was a bit of one upmanship in that argument it was pathetic IMO. Charlie should be able to fight her own battles anyway and doesn't need Jackie revealing personal information in order to win an argument.

Yes I agree, a little over-protective.

[Stateofconfusion]

I understand that Jackie was trying to stand up for her daughter, but the entire time I was watching it I was like 'surely its Charlie's choice if she wants this personal information revealed.' But watching it back Charlie was sat there and didn't seem to mind.

[smudgie]

No, she was not right to disclose her daughters personal stuff. But she was doing what any decent mother would do in defending her against that screeching banshee. I reckon Jemima has a screw loose somewhere.

[the truth]

As I said elsewhere all these women made twats of themselves.....discussing such matters in such a way was simply a desperate way to get cheap attention on a reality tv show...no doubt expecting sympathy from joe public. instead they all looked crass and desperate. It really was a revolting spectacle

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Unfortunately it seemed to be more of a case of who's daughter had the more difficult times in their young lifes. Jackie came across as trying to score brownie points whilst Jemima couldn't quite articulate what she wanted to really say. Both adults (Jackie and Jemima) are at fault and as bad as each other.

[erinp5]

Charlie is old enough to defend herself ,Charlie was sitting there listening to her mum give excuses for her behaviour ,which imo was bang out of order regarding Hazel's BF.Why would you ask such a question to someone you have known for ten days.Charlie seems to have a habit of foot in mouth ,she did the same with Gina.
Jackie and Jemima made fools of themselves debating who has had the most horrific experience regarding death/dying.
As for Superdan what the heck was it to do with him!! and when Charlie apologised for her mums behaviour to Jemima what was it to do with Dan.He again butted into a convo that had nothing to do with him ,he then walks away into the garden and involves the HMS out there in the arguement.So glad Dan doesn't bitch!

[Vicky.]

I understand the overprotective mother thing..but it was utterly bizarre to randomly bring up Charlies cyst on her ovaries

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I understand the overprotective mother thing..but it was utterly bizarre to randomly bring up Charlies cyst on her ovaries

lol I think I know where Charlie got her over active mouth from........... Jackie is amazing though

[erinp5]

The story has been out there over a week.


Published Wednesday, Jun 19 2013, 13:31 BST | By Daniel Sperling |


Big Brother contestant Charlie Travers has opened up about having her cervix and an ovary removed after two cancer scares, saying that she "100% would not be alive" if she had waited to be screened at the recommended age of 25.

The receptionist, who entered the house with her mother Jackie, said she auditioned for the show because she wanted to "embrace life to the max" after her health issues
"I've had quite a tough time in the last seven years health-wise and now I feel I can embrace life to the max," she told New. "When I was 15 I had my left ovary removed because I had a gigantic cyst that was about to explode.

"During a smear test [at the age of 24] in 2011, they found my entire cervix was covered in pre-cancer of the highest grade.

"I had most of my cervix completely removed, but three or four months later I went for a check-up and it had all come back, so I had to have it all taken out.

"If I hadn't gone for an early smear and had waited until I was 25, I 100% would not be alive.

Asked if she is still able to have children, Travers replied: "I can conceive naturally, but I'm not sure if I can carry a baby full term."

59-year-old Jackie echoed her daughter's comments about why they went on Big Brother, saying: "We had been through quite hard times with Charlie's health problems and now we're over that we wanted to start afresh.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by erinp5

The story has been out there over a week.


Published Wednesday, Jun 19 2013, 13:31 BST | By Daniel Sperling |


Big Brother contestant Charlie Travers has opened up about having her cervix and an ovary removed after two cancer scares, saying that she "100% would not be alive" if she had waited to be screened at the recommended age of 25.

The receptionist, who entered the house with her mother Jackie, said she auditioned for the show because she wanted to "embrace life to the max" after her health issues
"I've had quite a tough time in the last seven years health-wise and now I feel I can embrace life to the max," she told New. "When I was 15 I had my left ovary removed because I had a gigantic cyst that was about to explode.

"During a smear test [at the age of 24] in 2011, they found my entire cervix was covered in pre-cancer of the highest grade.

"I had most of my cervix completely removed, but three or four months later I went for a check-up and it had all come back, so I had to have it all taken out.

"If I hadn't gone for an early smear and had waited until I was 25, I 100% would not be alive.

Asked if she is still able to have children, Travers replied: "I can conceive naturally, but I'm not sure if I can carry a baby full term."

59-year-old Jackie echoed her daughter's comments about why they went on Big Brother, saying: "We had been through quite hard times with Charlie's health problems and now we're over that we wanted to start afresh.

...Ahh, that's quite interesting that it was public knowledge anyway, thanks for posting that...

[DanielLuis]

Jackie was trying hard not to reveal anything personal. She was most of the time saying Charlie had been through a very difficult life and saying simply that, but good old Jeremiah was always saying 'you don't know what we've been through' and that's where Jackie got tired and said that about Charlie's grandmother. If she really wanted to milk sympathy for her daughter she could have talked about her drugs problem, but she didn't.

[Marsh.]

I can understand why she did it. Jemima was spoiling for some kind of reaction with her purposely loud "Charlie should watch what she's saying!!!!" as though it had anything to do with her. Then saying it to her mother as though Charlie wasn't sat 2 feet away.

[hijaxers]

Well i still fail to see what having a grannie die on you or other health problems have to do with not engaging the brain before opening the gob ??

These are not things that make you completely stupid !
Having your mother step in and make excuses for your stupidity ain't on either Jackie should have stayed well out of it and let Charlie deal with it in own time with Hazel

[fruit_cake]

Jackie had no place revealing anything like that, I do have sympathy for the fact she was in theory trying to defend her daughter, but in reality she was just in a drunken spat with another drunk and it took her all of 10 seconds to reveal something that must be immensely difficult and emotive for Charlie to deal with at any time, let alone on view to millions of people.

Charlie took it quite well I thought, but I worry about her, she's far too passive to stick up for herself. Probably due to years of being drowned out by Jackie.