[thesheriff443]

Another famous person has died from drug abuse and members post about their shock and sadness and how they feel for their family.

well!, when the celeb was sucking it up his nose or pushing it in his arm he did not give **** about his family.
its his family that's has been left to deal with his death because he could not deal with his addiction!

yes he died and as sad as that is he did it to himself!

[Jake.]

Yeah lets paint every single drug abuser with the same brush without even looking behind the curtains first

[Ammi]

..we don’t know for sure that was drug abuse that Cory Monteith died of, although there probably is a high chance of that, we have no insight into the post mortem and shouldn’t be speculating..how does that help his grieving family either..

..I only know him from Glee and one of the nicest characters on there and don’t know much about his real life but from what I have read these last few days, his drug problem came long before his celebrity did so there is no connection there at all...and yeah, he did have a choice, everyone does...drug addicts have a choice, alcoholics have a choice, gamblers have a choice..severely obese people have a choice etc..they all have a ‘choice’..and they could all think of their families and discard their unhappiness or any emotional darkness they have that makes them do it...wouldn’t life be simple and uncomplicated if people were able to do that...sadly that just isn’t reality....

[LemonJam]

out of curiosity sheriff do you speak from experience?

[Suze]

I can see where you are coming from Sheriff, but I don't think it is as black and white as that. Sometimes there are reasons why some feel the need to cope with life by the use of things that can ultimately destroy them. Once in that mindset and going down that road, I would imagine that it is very very hard to get out of it again. Therefore, I think some deserve some sympathy for what they go through, and of course their families and friends who probably try and help.

[Z]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Another famous person has died from drug abuse and members post about their shock and sadness and how they feel for their family.

well!, when the celeb was sucking it up his nose or pushing it in his arm he did not give **** about his family.
its his family that's has been left to deal with his death because he could not deal with his addiction!

yes he died and as sad as that is he did it to himself!

I understand where you're coming from and I do agree to some extent but the man managed to hold down a steady job, he was certainly no Amy Winehouse type by the sounds of things, he voluntarily went to rehab and seemed to be a well liked and respected person. I get angry when famous people throw away their talents because of drugs (e.g. Winehouse, Cobain et al) because it was so needless, but to say he wasn't thinking of his family is unfair. If he can't deal with his addiction then that's his problem, nobody can live your life apart from you, the individual. It seems that this death has come from nowhere, nobody had him down as being an overly troubled person - yeah he had substance abuse problems but he certainly wasn't being predicted to spiral out of control by anyone from what I can tell - how was anyone supposed to intervene if they didn't know there was a problem? Perhaps he had weak organs, perhaps weakened by abuse or perhaps they weren't strong to begin with, we just don't know yet.

But in any case, somebody's son died, and he was well known and beloved by a lot of people; one personal problem doesn't cancel out all of the hard work he put into his career or the joy he brought to people all over the world, and it's only natural that people are upset and wish to pay their respects to that...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

I understand where you're coming from and I do agree to some extent but the man managed to hold down a steady job, he was certainly no Amy Winehouse type by the sounds of things, he voluntarily went to rehab and seemed to be a well liked and respected person. I get angry when famous people throw away their talents because of drugs (e.g. Winehouse, Cobain et al) because it was so needless, but to say he wasn't thinking of his family is unfair. If he can't deal with his addiction then that's his problem, nobody can live your life apart from you, the individual. It seems that this death has come from nowhere, nobody had him down as being an overly troubled person - yeah he had substance abuse problems but he certainly wasn't being predicted to spiral out of control by anyone from what I can tell - how was anyone supposed to intervene if they didn't know there was a problem? Perhaps he had weak organs, perhaps weakened by abuse or perhaps they weren't strong to begin with, we just don't know yet.

But in any case, somebody's son died, and he was well known and beloved by a lot of people; one personal problem doesn't cancel out all of the hard work he put into his career or the joy he brought to people all over the world, and it's only natural that people are upset and wish to pay their respects to that...

[Jake.]

Greg

[Josy]

The word addiction normally indicates that the drug/substance has a massive hold over the person and they wouldn't be able to stop even if they did give a **** about people they were close too.

[Vicky.]

I do find it hard to have sympathy when people die of drug overdoses and such.

I'm in quite a difficult situation in real life actually thats quite on topic to this thread. My father-in-law has his ex partner living with him as she is fresh out of hospital. She is dying, she looks like a walking corpse, shes only about 30 or so. Alcohol has ****ed her totally and IMO shes just been sent home to die as they know theres nothing they can do for her as shes been in and out before and gets clean, then starts drinking again as soon as shes home. Yet rather than focussing on getting better/a bit more healthy, she just rants on about how he wont let her have a drink. Its going to be better all round when she manages to get hold of a pint and dies really(hospital told her that even a little drink at this stage will kill her)..trying to help her is just delaying the inevitable. She's never going to be better. And I am expected to feel sorry for her? **** that, she brought it on herself and is continuing to bring it on herself.

[Samuel.]

If only it was so black and white.

[Z]

I think it's totally fair enough to hold that kind of view when you have someone so irredeemably dependent on alcohol/drugs that they will never recover; they've gotten themselves so hooked on something they can't lead a normal life anymore...

But Cory Monteith wasn't like that, there's been no hint of that anywhere. He had regular acting work, he went to rehab voluntarily, suggesting he wanted to sort out his problem and that he wasn't so bad that he was forced into going to rehab, I've never once read any headlines about him being drunk on the set of Glee or so drunk at a showbiz party or anything like that. I know that this thread isn't about him specifically, but I think there's a difference between someone like Amy Winehouse who was incredibly talented, wasting her gift and spiralling into drink and drug fuelled depressions and not being able to live normally; and someone like Cory Monteith who had a bit of a problem but otherwise managed to function.

For me personally that's where the line is drawn between sympathy and contempt. If someone has a problem but they're managing to keep some level of control over it, or they're trying to get better, then I feel sorry for them and really want them to get better... but when somebody just doesn't try, and has no control over it, I don't care. I wasn't remotely upset when Amy Winehouse died because she didn't want to be helped. That said, I felt sorry for her in the sense that she was surrounded by people who wanted to make money out of her, they didn't want to help her get better, and that included her own family from what I can tell. How is a person supposed to think about their family and the effects their actions are having upon them, when their family are part of the problem, as I would suspect is often the case in drink and drug related problems?

[Vicky.]

I don't know anything at all about this Cory Monteith person besides him being in glee so I can't comment on him. But I didn't have much sympathy for Amy Winehouse either except for, as you say, everyone around her using her.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Another famous person has died from drug abuse and members post about their shock and sadness and how they feel for their family.

well!, when the celeb was sucking it up his nose or pushing it in his arm he did not give **** about his family.
its his family that's has been left to deal with his death because he could not deal with his addiction!

yes he died and as sad as that is he did it to himself!

You can't really comment on his death without any facts tbh.

I think people need to hush down with their narrow minded conclusions, considering a cause of death hasn't even been confirmed.

[Kizzy]

Addiction isn't exclusive anyone from any background can be affected.