[Benjamin]

..then how come (according to Callum) she is the only other person to give more effort to Sam in a conversation if he struggles and help him out?

[Marsh.]

I can't comment on what I haven't seen.

If the only evidence we have is "according to Callum" then I think we're gonna struggle.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I can't comment on what I haven't seen.

If the only evidence we have is "according to Callum" then I think we're gonna struggle.

Even Sam has mentioned it before.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I can't comment on what I haven't seen.

If the only evidence we have is "according to Callum" then I think we're gonna struggle.

they've been seen on LF together alot

[g.vick]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I can't comment on what I haven't seen.

If the only evidence we have is "according to Callum" then I think we're gonna struggle.

I think there is evidence enough in the way she reacted when they found out Sam didn't actually leave. She was so gutted when she thought he was! Trying to remember how to say that Welsh phrase!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by g.vick

I think there is evidence enough in the way she reacted when they found out Sam didn't actually leave. She was so gutted when she thought he was! Trying to remember how to say that Welsh phrase!

That's got bugger all to do with whether she's more helpful to him about his disability.

Yes, it may show she likes him but that's about it.

[YodaBB]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That's got bugger all to do with whether she's more helpful to him about his disability.

Yes, it may show she likes him but that's about it.

She obviously is, Sam has said so numerous times & has told Gina that he feels that he can talk to her as she actually listens. Callum also backed this up, why on earth would they both lie about it?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by YodaBB

She obviously is, Sam has said so numerous times & has told Gina that he feels that he can talk to her as she actually listens. Callum also backed this up, why on earth would they both lie about it?

a) I never said they lied.

b) I was referring to someone talking about Gina's reaction about Sam having no bearing on the topic.

I never said Gina isn't doing what you're suggesting, I'm pointing out the flaw in some of the "evidence" being offered.

[Lola844]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I can't comment on what I haven't seen.

If the only evidence we have is "according to Callum" then I think we're gonna struggle.

Watch the live feeds the HL don't show any of it.

[Visage]

Can't say this is correct, but I get the impression some people are called a bitch for being honest and blunt to a persons face.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Visage

Can't say this is correct, but I get the impression some people are called a bitch for being honest and blunt to a persons face.

You surely aren't talking about Gina? She's had so much to say about Hazel in the diary room and to others but she's said very little to her face.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Visage

Can't say this is correct, but I get the impression some people are called a bitch for being honest and blunt to a persons face.

That's ok if you can take it - but don't dish it out if you can't take it back. And Gina can't take it back. She is just rude and a hypocrite.

[Marsh.]

The old "honest and blunt" excuse. The people who say that are usually the least honest and trustworthy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The old "honest and blunt" excuse. The people who say that are usually the least honest and trustworthy.

I hate that tbh, since when was saying horrible things to a persons face a good thing? I don't understand when it changed from if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all, to - say as much nasty things about a person as you like as long as you make sure to make them feel really bad by saying it right to their face

[showtime77]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I hate that tbh, since when was saying horrible things to a persons face a good thing? I don't understand when it changed from if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all, to - say as much nasty things about a person as you like as long as you make sure to make them feel really bad by saying it right to their face

I think Gina is a bitch but I can't agree with what you have said at all. If you are all about if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all then I don't understand why you are watching the show. This is not the we only say nice things to each other kind of show. When Hazel asked directly who Gina disliked most in the house Gina responded with the truth. If Hazel did not want to hear the truth than she should not have asked for it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by showtime77

I think Gina is a bitch but I can't agree with what you have said at all. If you are all about if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all then I don't understand why you are watching the show. This is not the we only say nice things to each other kind of show. When Hazel asked directly who Gina disliked most in the house Gina responded with the truth. If Hazel did not want to hear the truth than she should not have asked for it.

I think everyone on this forum has a good idea what the shows about. We've all been watching it for a while now... But the wavey smiley really makes your point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by showtime77

I think Gina is a bitch but I can't agree with what you have said at all. If you are all about if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all then I don't understand why you are watching the show. This is not the we only say nice things to each other kind of show. When Hazel asked directly who Gina disliked most in the house Gina responded with the truth. If Hazel did not want to hear the truth than she should not have asked for it.

Originally Posted by Livia

I think everyone on this forum has a good idea what the shows about. We've all been watching it for a while now... But the wavey smiley really makes your point.

[Scream]

That's like saying you can't call someone who's killed someone a murderer just because they helped an old man cross the street?

Just because she does something nice doesn't completely overrule the fact that she's a bitch.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Scream

That's like saying you can't call someone who's killed someone a murderer just because they helped an old man cross the street?

Just because she does something nice doesn't completely overrule the fact that she's a bitch.

Brilliant analogy , I couldn't have put it any better myself...!!!

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Ben

..then how come (according to Callum) she is the only other person to give more effort to Sam in a conversation if he struggles and help him out?

If she is being like that and that is the real her then she should have been like that from the start, instead of potraying the fame ***** attitude that she clearly thought would win her the show.

Yet another reason why I think Sam winning would be good for the series - it would show that having a human, compassionate, nice side gets you further on the show and in life than being a bloody wannabe.

Wannabes have ruined this show and turned it into the fodder of the gutter press that it currently is.

Perhaps we will see a return to the kind of show that it was in BB1. Where it was more a social experiment instead of a stage for idiots.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

If she is being like that and that is the real her then she should have been like that from the start, instead of potraying the fame ***** attitude that she clearly thought would win her the show.

Yet another reason why I think Sam winning would be good for the series - it would show that having a human, compassionate, nice side gets you further on the show and in life than being a bloody wannabe.

Wannabes have ruined this show and turned it into the fodder of the gutter press that it currently is.

Perhaps we will see a return to the kind of show that it was in BB1. Where it was more a social experiment instead of a stage for idiots.

The winner won't change anything.

The nicest/most inoffensive/funniest housemate almost always wins BBUK. Doesn't change the tone of the show or affect whether it's a toned down or OTT series.

[Kate!]

She has told Hazel openly and bluntly to her face how she feels about her and left it at that. If she had gone on about it then she would have been labelled a bitch or even a bully. As for saying stuff in the DR every hm in the history of the show has done that. It's the place to vent.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

She has told Hazel openly and bluntly to her face how she feels about her and left it at that. If she had gone on about it then she would have been labelled a bitch or even a bully. As for saying stuff in the DR every hm in the history of the show has done that. It's the place to vent.

I think it's more the constant picking at everything Hazel does and then has the cheek to say Hazel's a bitch and that Hazel's problem with Gina started it all when it's Gina's "honesty" that has caused the tension in their relationship from the start.

[Lee.]

She's just horrible in every way.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Karl

they've been seen on LF together alot

Fair enough, I haven't really noticed.

Although, them being together a lot doesn't automatically mean she makes more effort within a conversation when it comes to his disability. He seems to cope just fine from my perspective.

It's nice to be mindful of someone's disability but I do think Callum verged on patronising.

A bit like my brother would hate it if we followed him around insisting on moving things out of the way for his chair or getting things from a height etc. He just likes to be left to get on with it himself. Bringing it up and making an issue of it is a bit irritating.