[Verbal]

Now, I haven't been on this forum for that long, but I think its safe to assume that the large majority of people on here are at least old enough to vote (For the GE not BB) in the UK.

What i'm interested to know is, what part of you thinks that it is acceptable to relay disrespectful comments at a person (Sam) purely on their health?

If some of the derogatory comments I have seen on here had been made by a 12 year old I would just dismiss them as schoolboy silliness. But it seems the vast majority are made by fully grown adults, and this bothers me.

If there was a housemate who was Black, Jewish, Muslim or of any other race/creed/sexuality would you make such low comments based on their history?

The simple fact, is no, because A) it would get you banned instantly, and B) Most probably in trouble with the Law.

What makes it acceptable, to make such comments at Sam and against disability in general?

He is a human being, just the same as you, I and the rest of the HM's and should be treated as such. I've seen some even suggesting that he shouldn't be allowed to take part based purely on his health. This is pure discrimination and should not be allowed, much less even enter the brain of a fully grown adult.

If you cannot come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections, then you have lost the argument before you have even started.

[halfacrown]

The majority of people who have a problem with Sam are saying he's been a dull housemate and are not focusing of his hearing issues. Reading the OP, I feel as though you are pretty close to defining Sam by the hearing issues (which is rather patronising), yet you are asking people to 'come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections'. Sam seems capable of looking after himself and I somehow feel he would not welcome focus on his hearing. Notwithstanding, Sam has failed to make much of a positive impact. He does seem rather immature and sleepy, with very little charisma.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

The majority of people who have a problem with Sam are saying he's been a dull housemate and are not focusing of his hearing issues. Reading the OP, I feel as though you are pretty close to defining Sam by the hearing issues (which is rather patronising), yet you are asking people to 'come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections'. Sam seems capable of looking after himself and I somehow feel he would not welcome focus on his hearing. Notwithstanding, Sam has failed to make much of a positive impact. He does seems rather immature and sleepy, with very little charisma.

The majority of people criticizing him are most certainly not focusing on neutral things such as calling him dull, boring and what not. That I have no problem with. (read that twice) to make sure it sinks in.

I am not defining him in any way. I am pointing a finger at the comments that are aimed at him.

Your entire post is skirting around the issues that I am raising. Please, focus on the points I raise if you are going to comment.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

The majority of people criticizing him are most certainly not focusing on neutral things such as calling him dull, boring and what not. That I have no problem with. (read that twice) to make sure it sinks in.

I am not defining him in any way. I am pointing a finger at the comments that are aimed at him.

Your entire post is skirting around the issues that I am raising. Please, focus on the points I raise if you are going to comment.

Oh I don't think I'm skirting around the issue and I'm quite clear on your post and reading it more than once won't change that!

You are contradicting yourself because at the end you say 'If you cannot come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections, then you have lost the argument before you have even started.' Yet you make no mention of any of Sam's qualities and only talk about his hearing issue!

The rules of these boards are there for all to see and I'm sure the mods are aware of any infringements.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

The majority of people who have a problem with Sam are saying he's been a dull housemate and are not focusing of his hearing issues. Reading the OP, I feel as though you are pretty close to defining Sam by the hearing issues (which is rather patronising), yet you are asking people to 'come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections'. Sam seems capable of looking after himself and I somehow feel he would not welcome focus on his hearing. Notwithstanding, Sam has failed to make much of a positive impact. He does seem rather immature and sleepy, with very little charisma.

There is a certain minority on here that are furious that he had a go at Dexter,simple as , and they will use any means to try and diss him,even unfortunately his health as a partial deaf person myself,it is hard to be around a babbling crowd sometimes its best to keep out of conversations just incase I say the wrong thing and it ends up embarrassing,so people need to know this may be due to him being a bit quiet,as for him being boring,I am struggling to find what the others have done that is so 'exciting' so ,Sam is imo as alert as the others its just he is not bitching and smarming around so doesn't get the highlights.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

There is a certain minority on here that are furious that he had a go at Dexter,simple as , and they will use any means to try and diss him,even unfortunately his health as a partial deaf person myself,it is hard to be around a babbling crowd sometimes its best to keep out of conversations just incase I say the wrong thing and it ends up embarrassing,so people need to know this may be due to him being a bit quiet,as for him being boring,I am struggling to find what the others have done that is so 'exciting' so ,Sam is imo as alert as the others its just he is not bitching and smarming around so doesn't get the highlights.

The results of Sam's 'having a go' at Dexter and Sophie are highly contentious, as is the argument over what constitutes 'exciting' behaviour in a housemate: people see very different things in the same programme. Some people thought Sam was brave and strong, others that he was hypocritical and immature!

I think that Sam's hearing issues have made his time in BB a bit of a challenge, but it is not an environment for shrinking violets. However, his issues are not insurmountable. My own father was deaf (his choice of word) and in addition never learnt to write but he was a clever and charismatic man who was successful in business, and in the part of London where he operated, he was as famous as Frank Sinatra: everybody knew him and had a story about him. The last thing anybody would have defined him by was his deafness.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

The results of Sam's 'having a go' at Dexter and Sophie are highly contentious, as is the argument over what constitutes 'exciting' behaviour in a housemate: people see very different things in the same programme. Some people thought Sam was brave and strong, others that he was hypocritical and immature!

I think that Sam's hearing issues have made his time in BB a bit of a challenge, but it is not an environment for shrinking violets. However, his issues are not insurmountable. My own father was deaf (his choice of word) and in addition never learnt to write but he was a clever and charismatic man who was successful in business, and in the part of London where he operated, he was as famous as Frank Sinatra: everybody knew him and had a story about him. The last thing anybody would have defined him by was his deafness.

He's 23,I'm sure as he gets older he will learn how to handle what comes before him.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

The majority of people who have a problem with Sam are saying he's been a dull housemate and are not focusing of his hearing issues. Reading the OP, I feel as though you are pretty close to defining Sam by the hearing issues (which is rather patronising), yet you are asking people to 'come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections'. Sam seems capable of looking after himself and I somehow feel he would not welcome focus on his hearing. Notwithstanding, Sam has failed to make much of a positive impact. He does seem rather immature and sleepy, with very little charisma.

I said this the other day to him. Most people dislike Sam because he is dull, not because he is hard of hearing.

[karezza]

Show me one comment disrespecting sleazy Sam's disability. I dislike him not because he is partially deaf but because he is arrogant, sleazy and thinks the Ł100,000 is rightfully his.

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by karezza

Show me one comment disrespecting sleazy Sam's disability. I dislike him not because he is partially deaf but because he is arrogant, sleazy and thinks the Ł100,000 is rightfully his.

How do you know he thinks the Ł100,000 is his do you read minds?
Also they all want the cash.

[Cherie]

Firstly Sam does not have a "health" issue, he is perfectly healthy. For me if he wins it will be a complete travesty, in some ways he shouldn't reach the final as of those left he has contributed the least, and yes you could argue that he gets lost in the converations and can't contribute, but I have yet to see him on the bike powering the electrics or turning the wheel for the shower, or washing up or cooking or doing anything that doesn't require him to speak or listen, and he doesn't exactly throw himself into tasks. He seems to spend alot of time in the DR flirting and telling weak jokes though, if that makes him a winner then so be it.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by karezza

Show me one comment disrespecting sleazy Sam's disability. I dislike him not because he is partially deaf but because he is arrogant, sleazy and thinks the Ł100,000 is rightfully his.

It's not worth his time or anyone else's trawling through the threads looking for all the derogatory comments that have been posted but it has happened.

I will concede however that most people that dislike Sam give their reasoning fairly and without malice.

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by karezza

Show me one comment disrespecting sleazy Sam's disability. I dislike him not because he is partially deaf but because he is arrogant, sleazy and thinks the Ł100,000 is rightfully his.

Sorry but what show are you watching? I do think some of the remaining HM's think the Ł100,000 is rightfully theirs, but Sam definitely isn't one of those.

Please back up your comments with exactly how Sam is proving that he thinks the Ł100,000 is rightfully his?

Dexter bangs on and on and on about how hard he's had it in the house for the last 7/8 weeks constantly. If that's not blatenly saying that the money and win should be his because "he's had it the hardest out of all the HM's", then I don't know what is!

[Patricia4]

Im not a Sam hater I want Sam to win or Gina, there is nothing wrong with Sam he's a lovely lad and I dont even think about him being deaf his smile wins me over every time.
Ive read some nasty things people have wrote about him to do with his health but to me he's normal and a great guy.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

Im not a Sam hater I want Sam to win or Gina, there is nothing wrong with Sam he's a lovely lad and I dont even think about him being deaf his smile wins me over every time.
Ive read some nasty things people have wrote about him to do with his health but to me he's normal and a great guy.

Full respect to you Patricia
Thats a great post.

[Indy]

Because, of course, anyone who doesn't want Sam to win is filled with irrational hatred towards him.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Indy

Because, of course, anyone who doesn't want Sam to win is filled with irrational hatred towards him.

I don't agree Indy, I feel hatred for no one, its immature and childish to 'hate' on a big brother contestant, its a television gameshow, why would you hate someone you've never met. I can see why you would make this post though because there are a lot of people whose posts scream of hatred and the way some carry on you'd think they murdered someone. Hate is a terrible emotion to have. I would rather use the word dislike and I dislike Sam because I find him cocky and boring and nothing to do with his hearing at all. Anyone who would be nasty over his hearing difficulties should be ashamed of themselves. Most of the reasons for people not liking Sam is because he's been proper boring

[Videostar]

I haven't said a word about Sam's "health" as you put it.

If anything his supporters like Sam simply because of his life story as there isn't anything else to like about him.


I keep asking Sam fans why do they support him, what has he done that deserves the 100k and they NEVER ANSWER.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Videostar

I haven't said a word about Sam's "health" as you put it.

If anything his supporters like Sam simply because of his life story as there isn't anything else to like about him.


I keep asking Sam fans why do they support him, what has he done that deserves the 100k and they NEVER ANSWER.

Sorry but that just isn't true. You simply choose not accept their answers. I know this because in the thread asking people why they like Sam I gave my answers.

I said:

I then later said:

The expanding winkie jest was one line weeks ago but that gets rolled out as the prime example of his humour.

There've been loads of one liners that have made me laugh. I think my favourite was 'he's so rude he'd make an onion cry'.

His humour is mainly low key and easy to miss if you aren't looking out for it. He has an excellent way with words.

For all that he's young and there are lots of things he doesn't know, on raw intelligence I think he's one of the cleverest people in there. Not clever as in games player, but clever as in astute.

I gave those answers because of this post by you:

Originally Posted by Videostar

I keep asking Sam supporters this and they either never answer the question or give sarcy answers.

I would love to hear genuine reason as to why he should win.

You seemed to genuinely want to hear why people liked/supported Sam.

Now. You can disagree with that all you like, it doesn't change the fact that reasons were offered for liking Sam. To suggest that you keep on asking but people NEVER answer is an untruth. You may not like the answers, but that's really not the point is it?


One final point: Cynical Hermit offered, amongst several reasons, the fact that he was impressed with the way Sam had handled certain things within the house. Saying you impressed with how someone deals with some of the difficulties associated with a disability is not the same as saying you support them because of their disability, or that you support them out of sympathy for their disability. But: that gets picked up and twisted into 'sympathy vote Sam' and the rest of the reasoning gets ignored.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Sorry but that just isn't true. You simply choose not accept their answers. I know this because in the thread asking people why they like Sam I gave my answers.

I said:



I then later said:



I gave those answers because of this post by you:



You seemed to genuinely want to hear why people liked/supported Sam.

Now. You can disagree with that all you like, it doesn't change the fact that reasons were offered for liking Sam. To suggest that you keep on asking but people NEVER answer is an untruth. You may not like the answers, but that's really not the point is it?


One final point: Cynical Hermit offered, amongst several reasons, the fact that he was impressed with the way Sam had handled certain things within the house. Saying you impressed with how someone deals with some of the difficulties associated with a disability is not the same as saying you support them because of their disability, or that you support them out of sympathy for their disability. But: that gets picked up and twisted into 'sympathy vote Sam' and the rest of the reasoning gets ignored.

Dana, im sorry if I missed your answers, im constantly flitting between threads, or maybe I went offline, I assure you I didn't mean to ignore your replies.

But I stand by my opinions that Sam isn't being judged on the same playing field as so called abled bodied HM's..and someone on here on their sig says they want Sam to win because they "respect" him...that IMO is clearly because of his disability, again, I say that's an invalid reason to want someone to win and walk off with a life changing 100k.

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I don't agree Indy, I feel hatred for no one, its immature and childish to 'hate' on a big brother contestant, its a television gameshow, why would you hate someone you've never met. I can see why you would make this post though because there are a lot of people whose posts scream of hatred and the way some carry on you'd think they murdered someone. Hate is a terrible emotion to have. I would rather use the word dislike and I dislike Sam because I find him cocky and boring and nothing to do with his hearing at all. Anyone who would be nasty over his hearing difficulties should be ashamed of themselves. Most of the reasons for people not liking Sam is because he's been proper boring

You apparently missed my point completely. I was pointing out the incredibly rude ASSumption of the OP.

[Maneki-neko]

I don't make fun of him because he's deaf, but lets not pretend he's a "perfect angel rolemodel for kids with disabilities" lets also not pretend that they're are loads of people in the country who would vote for him just because he has a disability rather than the fact that they like him as a housemate.

[Sandz38]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Now, I haven't been on this forum for that long, but I think its safe to assume that the large majority of people on here are at least old enough to vote (For the GE not BB) in the UK.

What i'm interested to know is, what part of you thinks that it is acceptable to relay disrespectful comments at a person (Sam) purely on their health?

If some of the derogatory comments I have seen on here had been made by a 12 year old I would just dismiss them as schoolboy silliness. But it seems the vast majority are made by fully grown adults, and this bothers me.

If there was a housemate who was Black, Jewish, Muslim or of any other race/creed/sexuality would you make such low comments based on their history?

The simple fact, is no, because A) it would get you banned instantly, and B) Most probably in trouble with the Law.

What makes it acceptable, to make such comments at Sam and against disability in general?

He is a human being, just the same as you, I and the rest of the HM's and should be treated as such. I've seen some even suggesting that he shouldn't be allowed to take part based purely on his health. This is pure discrimination and should not be allowed, much less even enter the brain of a fully grown adult.

If you cannot come up with an argument that does not involve a person's imperfections, then you have lost the argument before you have even started.

Sam has stated that he wants to show what deaf people can achieve. I know many people with disabilities and this post is ridiculous and here is why.

1, most people with a disability want to be treated normal and this is a well known fact..

2, anyone treating a disabled person differently can be in serious trouble for discrimination ( I know this its my job )

3, Sam knows he is going to be spoken about its a show he has grown up with do you think this shouldn't happen because he is deaf?

good morning forum

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Sandz38

Sam has stated that he wants to show what deaf people can achieve. I know many people with disabilities and this post is ridiculous and here is why.

1, most people with a disability want to be treated normal and this is a well known fact..

2, anyone treating a disabled person differently can be in serious trouble for discrimination ( I know this its my job )

3, Sam knows he is going to be spoken about its a show he has grown up with do you think this shouldn't happen because he is deaf?

good morning forum

All excellent points.

[smeagol]

i dont hate him at all , but without doubt he and sophie are two of the most boring housemates to ever appear on big brother and have no right at all to win or make the final.
i cannot stand sympathy votes i said it launch night he will win , i said the same with luke a and the torrents guy though he was fun so a good winner. but sam has done nothing

what i do hate is bandwagon jumpers and the sympathy vote i think its insulting really
people should be judged on their actions and personality not anything else.

all this liking someone cause their fav likes them or liking them cause he is brave cause he is half deaf etc. that really annoys me. and its wrong
as i said before the real brave people are the ones doing the 9-5 with disabilities not the ones chasing fame and fortune on television shows. all in the name of a good cause.
big brother is a reality entertainment show not a charity