[thesheriff443]

When forum members say that their chosen housemate is playing a great game I think they forget that the housemate is also playing them!

playing the game is about, doing and saying things that will keep you in the house.

players fool the housemates and viewers into thinking they are someone they are not.

players in the real world are people that come across as larger than life and a good person but in fact they are con artist's that have no problem in tricking people out their cash.

I don't think it necessarily follows that good BB game players are the kind of people that scam people out of cash.

Maybe fm'ers just like people that are involved in the whole show, through conflict, drama, and memorable moments?

[Jords]

If youre a gameplayer you should always keep the public in the know-how, not try to deceive them too.

[Cherie]

Don't really agree with you Sherriff, as the viewer is privvy to a lot more information and conversations than HMs so is much more aware of who is game playing. Nobody is forced to vote and a lot of people don't even though they have a favourite, its just telly when all is said and done.

Originally Posted by Jords

If youre a gameplayer you should always keep the public in the know-how, not try to deceive them too.

That's what Anton did, and he became a bit of a figure of ridicule. If we use Aaron as our best example of someone who played the game successfully, he didn't let the public know what he was doing.

Any game players that let the public know, will turn into villains pretty quickly.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I don't think it necessarily follows that good BB game players are the kind of people that scam people out of cash.

Maybe fm'ers just like people that are involved in the whole show, through conflict, drama, and memorable moments?

deception labeled as entertainment.
all you have is an entertaining liar!

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

That's what Anton did, and he became a bit of a figure of ridicule. If we use Aaron as our best example of someone who played the game successfully, he didn't let the public know what he was doing.

Any game players that let the public know, will turn into villains pretty quickly.

I dont know why people thought Aaron was a gameplayer, never saw it at all. Problem with forums is they always look for a few 'gameplayers' each year and most of the time they are essentially making no moves and are just smart and a bit of an oddity. Aaron went from hero to zero for me and he only won because people saw what they wanted to see and the cheap online voting, will always be my take on it. An interesting 'different' winner who deserved it from the awful cast but nonetheless was not this champ people call him.

Anton just stirred trouble, was again not a 'gameplayer' and stupidly thought people would like his villain antics.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't really agree with you Sherriff, as the viewer is privvy to a lot more information and conversations than HMs so is much more aware of who is game playing. Nobody is forced to vote and a lot of people don't even though they have a favourite, its just telly when all is said and done.

if we take dexter, from the start he has been using the old line, im in here for the journey and then given what he thought was the money opportunity, he took it.
lying to everyone to get what he wants which is the money!
that's why the other housemates where so p*ssed off at him.

you are a fan of a liar, is that not true?

Originally Posted by Jords

I dont know why people thought Aaron was a gameplayer, never saw it at all. Problem with forums is they always look for a few 'gameplayers' each year and most of the time they are essentially making no moves and are just smart and a bit of an oddity. Aaron went from hero to zero for me and he only won because people saw what they wanted to see and the cheap online voting, will always be my take on it. An interesting 'different' winner who deserved it from the awful cast but nonetheless was not this champ people call him.

Anton just stirred trouble, was again not a 'gameplayer' and stupidly thought people would like his villain antics.

I was an Aaron supporter, and I think people became more open to him being a game player, after he came out afterwards and said he was. He did some pretty petty things, but he was head and shoulders above everyone else that year.

I used Anton as he was the only recent example I could think of where a hm was actually attempting to play the game, and keeping us informed that he was doing so. There is still such a stigma across the casual bb viewers about being a so-called game player, that it would be impossible to do well if a hm was being open about it.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

if we take dexter, from the start he has been using the old line, im in here for the journey and then given what he thought was the money opportunity, he took it.
lying to everyone to get what he wants which is the money!
that's why the other housemates where so p*ssed off at him.

you are a fan of a liar, is that not true?

There is no way BB was going to let a hm walk away with Ł88k, and leave the winner with a Ł12k prize fund.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I was an Aaron supporter, and I think people became more open to him being a game player, after he came out afterwards and said he was. He did some pretty petty things, but he was head and shoulders above everyone else that year.

I used Anton as he was the only recent example I could think of where a hm was actually attempting to play the game, and keeping us informed that he was doing so. There is still such a stigma across the casual bb viewers about being a so-called game player, that it would be impossible to do well if a hm was being open about it.

To be honest I dont think you can really have much of a gameplan in BBUK's edition.

You can look for sympathy, much like Dexter and Wolfy this year, you can get yourself in a showmance (or try to) and youre nominations can be more tactical but other than that the best gameplan to have is to remain fairly quiet and friendly all the way though if its a VTE series.

Of course you can try to plant seeds and get people to turn on in each other but really I dont think weve seen anybody of this nature who has done this for 'gameplan' reasons instead of 'getting personal'.

Id like to see BBUK do the American version, itd be so much fun.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

There is no way BB was going to let a hm walk away with Ł88k, and leave the winner with a Ł12k prize fund.

you cant say that for sure!, im sure bb had a few different outcomes depending on who chose the lowest amount.

[delta]

Life is a game.


Dexter is playing the only game he knows- he's a two faced, lying, devious con man, with no friends on the outside- tells you a lot about a person when they get to the age of 28 and they have no one to call a friend.

He's well suited for being in the BB house, what I don't understand is the third eye, us!

How the hell he's managing to convince the outsiders, how they give the benefit of doubt, time and time again. The guy, ( used loosely) is playing the game he's played all his life and it's so easy to see as a bystander what he's all about. He's actually not very good at it, the problem is there is no one strong enough or cares enough to stand up to him and rip him to pieces- power to Sam, who has seen right through him.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you cant say that for sure!, im sure bb had a few different outcomes depending on who chose the lowest amount.

Does anyone actually believe that BB would let a hm evicted before the final, walk away with 88% of the cash prize?

I'm sure if anyone would have put Ł40k or around there, then they would have been evicted with the cash, but anything over Ł50k was an instant no-go.

[Ammi]

..maybe some people feel that he's not playing a game but there are also a lot that do so he's not really 'playing them' any more than any other housemate..Sam could be playing people into thinking he's less of a gameplayer and doing it to raise awareness..Charlie could be playing people in her 'innocence' of 'putting her foot in it' ..I think there all game players, it's just about which game you prefer/least object to...and part of all of their games is to try to get the public not to vote them out of they're nominated...

..I was an Aaron fan but I never thought for one moment he wasn't playing a game..I just thought he played a very good game and didn't offend people doing it and also created much entertainment..whether Dexter wins or not, he can't have played too bad a game because he's still there and reasonably popular..we'll just have to wait until the final to see how good and successful his game was...

[Ammi]

..oh I agree, I don't think anyone would think BB would really give so much of the prize money away to persuade someone to leave before the final and only leave a prize fund of less than Ł12,000...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

if we take dexter, from the start he has been using the old line, im in here for the journey and then given what he thought was the money opportunity, he took it.
lying to everyone to get what he wants which is the money!
that's why the other housemates where so p*ssed off at him.

you are a fan of a liar, is that not true?

No I don't believe I am a fan of a liar, as I believe whatever anyone says along the way they all want the cash, no previous HM who has been offered a slice of the cash has turned it down, it is not quite black and white, maybe he does believe he is in there for the journey, but in that moment when presented with a chunk of cash that was all he could think of, maybe he knew it had to be a lie given the amounts that were put on the board, and he gambled, there are lots of layers to it, maybe Sam considered it was a lie and the person who chose the highest amount was going with a chunk of cash, he could be considered a liar as well as he is in there to raise awareness so why be so angry about the cash? why did the twins not pick 99,000. Dexter is being singled out because he is in the final (and on the penultimate eviction) week after week of them wanting him out he is sitting pretty and those who wanted him out are sweating on the couch, it is a bitter pill to swallow.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Does anyone actually believe that BB would let a hm evicted before the final, walk away with 88% of the cash prize?

I'm sure if anyone would have put Ł40k or around there, then they would have been evicted with the cash, but anything over Ł50k was an instant no-go.

bb gave 200,000, away in bb8!, never under estimate bb, in bb 6 if Eugene never took half the prize money it would have been doubled to 200,000!

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

bb gave 200,000, away in bb8!, never under estimate bb, in bb 6 if Eugene never took half the prize money it would have been doubled to 200,000!

But then you're talking about doubling the prize fund, which is ok, but that's a completely different scenario to the one the hm's faced. If the prize was Ł200k, then Ł88k would have been fine, but it isn't, so it wasn't.

If my auntie had bollocks, she'd be my uncle.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

But then you're talking about doubling the prize fund, which is ok, but that's a completely different scenario to the one the hm's faced. If the prize was Ł200k, then Ł88k would have been fine, but it isn't, so it wasn't.

If my auntie had bollocks, she'd be my uncle.

i could say the same as you just said.
we don't know if bb had more money as a back up plan.
in bb 8 they never told the housemates liam's money was not part of the prize fund.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

When forum members say that their chosen housemate is playing a great game I think they forget that the housemate is also playing them!

playing the game is about, doing and saying things that will keep you in the house.

players fool the housemates and viewers into thinking they are someone they are not.

players in the real world are people that come across as larger than life and a good person but in fact they are con artist's that have no problem in tricking people out their cash.

so what are you saying? were suckers? lol

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i could say the same as you just said.
we don't know if bb had more money as a back up plan.
in bb 8 they never told the housemates liam's money was not part of the prize fund.

You couldn't, because I'm dealing with the events as we knew/know them to be, you were using BB8 as an example of something they could do if they wanted. My post was grounded in reality, yours was speculative.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

You couldn't, because I'm dealing with the events as we knew/know them to be, you were using BB8 as an example of something they could do if they wanted. My post was grounded in reality, yours was speculative.

yes but just because its speculative that does not make me wrong.
you dont know that if dexter was not the lowest, they would of let someone walk with the whole 100 grand.
bb can change the rules at any time.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

yes but just because its speculative that does not make me wrong.
you dont know that if dexter was not the lowest, they would of let someone walk with the whole 100 grand.
bb can change the rules at any time.

But it's already happened, and you were wrong. Not really sure how much clearer that fact can be.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

But it's already happened, and you were wrong. Not really sure how much clearer that fact can be.

I know that dexter did not walk with the money but that's not to say that bb would not of let someone else take an amount over 50 grand.