[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Conzors

when i was unemployed i did voluntary work with autistic/aspergers children and he has definitely not got it.

autism and aspergers are different. Many people will aspergers may not even realize they have it too much later on. I see no reason to not believe that Abz has Aspergers

[sway]

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

[Roy Mars III]

the other thread wasn't good enough for you?

[sway]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

the other thread wasn't good enough for you?

the other thread was about him 'having aspergers'

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since aged 12 as a hobby whilst pursing a masters level in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend.

I do not think someone in a boy band can be Aspergic. My heart sank when he said he had aspergers because its easy to say that when you're going through depression and feel crap. He DOES NOT have aspergers, just because he feels crap post-breakup from his band.

I too have 'mild Aspergers' and have always had trouble, esp. when little, dealing in social situations and I see no reason why Abz can not have aspergers.

[Roy Mars III]

oh, okay, carry on then

[Blue Cadillac]

[QUOTE=08marsh;6338906]Opinion is fine. Judgement about someone's medical diagnosis with no possible way of knowing the facts is not.


Which is why I'm reserving judgement at the moment, as previously stated, if you'd care to read my posts with any diligence.

However, getting back to the point, my opinion is that Abz needn't have broadcast his alleged Asperger's on national tv - I'm not sure that was necessary, other than to possibly create a wave of sympathy. And my original point was that I felt it was unusual for a person with Asperger's to want to be so acutely in the public eye. Not impossible - just unusual.

Neither you, I nor anyone else frequenting this forum knows anything solid about Abz's 'medical diagnosis', and so it is supposition and speculation on all of our parts.

[sway]

It's hard enough to diagnose people who really have aspergers, without people leeching off the syndrome to get sympathy..

those with it get bullied, isolated, under-rated etc.. with it now being trendy and emo, those actually with it get mistaken, bullied, etc... it makes people think Aspergers is just about being 'shy, reserved' etc.....

[Roy Mars III]

[QUOTE=Blue Cadillac;6339694]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Opinion is fine. Judgement about someone's medical diagnosis with no possible way of knowing the facts is not.


Which is why I'm reserving judgement at the moment, as previously stated, if you'd care to read my posts with any diligence.

However, getting back to the point, my opinion is that Abz needn't have broadcast his alleged Asperger's on national tv - I'm not sure that was necessary, other than to possibly create a wave of sympathy. And my original point was that I felt it was unusual for a person with Asperger's to want to be so acutely in the public eye. Not impossible - just unusual.

Neither you, I nor anyone else frequenting this forum knows anything solid about Abz's 'medical diagnosis', and so it is supposition and speculation on all of our parts.

because he is trying to explain why he may not be as involved with others in the house. As many people will Asperger's he may find it hard to get on well socially with the other housemates, esp. with small conversation.

[sway]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I too have 'mild Aspergers' and have always had trouble, esp. when little, dealing in social situations and I see no reason why Abz can not have aspergers.

I just dont believe he could have led that lifestyle in the 1990s and now after the split, untreated post-depression turns into 'aspergers' .. it confuses the actual syndrome.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by sway

I just dont believe he could have led that lifestyle in the 1990s and now after the split, untreated post-depression turns into 'aspergers' .. it confuses the actual syndrome.

it would not be the normal situation for someone with Aspergers but I don't really know his mindset or actions at the time so I'm not doing to dismiss his claim just for that

[Blue Cadillac]

[QUOTE=Roy Mars III;6339697]

Originally Posted by Blue Cadillac

because he is trying to explain why he may not be as involved with others in the house. As many people will Asperger's he may find it hard to get on well socially with the other housemates, esp. with small conversation.

Okay. That could be a possibility. Or, could it be that the drugs he's taken in excess in the past have had an adverse affect on him? There are a number of reasons why he could be the way he is. Having worked with drug abusers in the past, I've seen this type of behaviour in abundance.

[sway]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I'm not doing to dismiss his claim just for that

well if he did lie after he lightens up a bit that'll pi$$ me off. even though as I said hes history doesnt really prove it. I bet he was 'self-diagnosed' one drunken night on a website quiz and it has changed his mental state conciously believing he is, which has molded him into some hermit. (non-aspergic hermit)

[Freddythefrog]

It is strange how someone having AS can suddenly recognise whether another person has it or not, I have a masters degree in AS and have met countless people upon the autism spectrum, some are easily distinguishable but others only display minor traits, often you need to get to know them much better to recognise how AS impacts upon them.
It is disrespectful to assume someone is or is not on the autism spectrum just because they do not show obvious stereotypical traits.
I am not saying he is or is not but in my experience, one of the last people to recognise whether someone has AS is another person with AS.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't know enough about it to comment really.I would assume that if he has been diagnosed with AS by a proffessional then they would be right though?I mean,Would he go on telly and blatently lie about it?I doubt it tbh.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Freddythefrog

It is strange how someone having AS can suddenly recognise whether another person has it or not, I have a masters degree in AS and have met countless people upon the autism spectrum, some are easily distinguishable but others only display minor traits, often you need to get to know them much better to recognise how AS impacts upon them.
It is disrespectful to assume someone is or is not on the autism spectrum just because they do not show obvious stereotypical traits.
I am not saying he is or is not but in my experience, one of the last people to recognise whether someone has AS is another person with AS.

[thesheriff443]

abz is a washed up boy band member that blew his money on drink and drugs, he gets no sympathy from me!, regardless of him having as or not.
the way he talks is a complete joke, needs to p*ss off and get a job.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Freddythefrog

I have a masters degree in AS

I did not realise one could get a Masters in a syndrome...where did you study for your Masters?

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by boomoo

More than that. Children are being awarded disability allowance and motobility allowance which is a huge incentive to get a diagnosis of Asperger's or Autism.
On motobility surely a parent already has a car and does not need a free one.
The rules are that the person who has the award must be in the car. Wonder how often that rule is broken.?

It is extremely difficult to get the level of award you are talking about, it is usually given to families with children at the most severe ends of the spectrum, possibly non verbal, need help with mobility and may need a larger child's push chair, have other disorders and conditions that further affect their diagnosis etc.. My son has Aspergers and get's lower rate care and mobility, and at 17 years old uses it himself. I think my point is it would be almost impossible to push for an autism/aspergers diagnosis purely to claim for a car or dla, theyre not easy to get, take alot of time and require a massive amount of evidence, for the diagnosis itself, and then for the dla to be awarded after.

I also cant believe some of the comments Ive read on here that its for sympathy, or that it's cool? As a parent, let me tell you, its neither, and society is neither understanding nor forgiving enough for it to become a reason to gain votes in a reality show. Most people are unaware of what aspergers really is, why the hell would they vote for it?

[qwerty8883]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

tell you what mate. take your head firmly out of your ass. The Autistic spectrum is on of the most diverse that you can imagine and no two people on that spectrum are alike. You cannot make a comparison with your own condition to his.

I would say that you dont have Aspergers.

[qwerty8883]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

infact being on the spectrum myself i would presume that you (being an aspe) would understand the fact that people on the specturm create false personalities to deal with social situations and to manage anxiety problems (this is a major factor in the cyclic breakdown of people with the condition as mental fatigue from maintaining that persona takes its toll over a prolonged period and is unsustainable for most and if not all)

Dont make wild claims about what you do and dont know without first doing the relevant research.

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[Livia]

No one can make a diagnosis of someone from reading about them in the press and watching them on TV. Not the best doctor, not the best specialist... no one.

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

What a load of bollocks.

I have aspergers myself, diagnosed by a professional earlier this year - and I am insulted by this post.

The fact of the matter is, NOT ALL PEOPLE WITH ASPERGERS ARE THE SAME.

FreddyTheFrog's post nailed it tbh, I agree with him.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one can make a diagnosis of someone from reading about them in the press and watching them on TV. Not the best doctor, not the best specialist... no one.

Hello Liv, ltns

What you say is completely true of course, but I can, having watched me telly, safely say that Carol loves her bevvy lol

[Blue Cadillac]

[QUOTE=qwerty8883;6339874]infact being on the spectrum myself i would presume that you (being an aspe) would understand the fact that people on the specturm create false personalities to deal with social situations and to manage anxiety problems

To be fair, I think a lot of non-Asperger's people are probably guilty of doing this too. For example, if going for a job interview, how many people might make themselves out to be someone/something they are not, in order to impress the interviewer? Many people suffer anxiety and stress in social situations, and I think there's a very fine line between everyday stress management with most folk, and how people with Asperger's cope with their anxiety - which is exacerbated tenfold, largely because those with Asperger's are unable to channel their emotions and anxieties in the same way.