[Kyle]

I think the way we treat the planet we originated from also prevents us from being truly civilised as a species.

Plundering resources seems to be our forte.

[Kizzy]

It does...The 1% may have all the wealth but at what cost to future generations?

[the truth]

[QUOTE=The Mockinator;6454366]I'm just catching up on some of the questions, here's my opinion on it all.

1. While the leaders of Religion are currupt, I still think it's nice for people to have something they can believe in, plus I think it helps out a lot of people just as much as it has harmed people, it's just that the media never report the good news on anything.

2. Yes I think people are inherently racist initially, but I think that once you meet an ethnic person that's nice then it can change your mind on the ethnicity in question, and on a sexual level I just think it's natural to find your own skin colour more attractive and I don't think it's racist, and I find some ethnic girls attractive so I'm not intending this to come across as racist.

3. I believe that once we die that we restart our lives back to the start, I know it's not the most desirable answer in the world but I think it explains why I feel like I've done some of this stuff before.

1. SOME are corrupt. theres corruption everywhere , just look at the beloved BBC. But the vast majority in the Church are wonderful people who do enormous good throughout the world, feeding the starving, campaigning for the poor and raising billions too
2. I disagree. The word racist has been misinterpreted and misunderstood, often by corrupt disingenuous politicians to stir trouble. Yes there is weariness or distrust by people when new people they don't know or understand arrive in their community. This is human nature. But those without bigotry in their hearts can soon find common bounds, values, interests etc etc and become acquaintances, friends , business associates with people from any race, religion or ethnicity. Its possible that communities can soon unite and the newcomers can soon become friends
with the community. The best example Ive seen is Cardiff bay. Sadly the Cardiff model wasn't studied closely enough. In saying that, something has to be said if our population is growing too fast and our systems cant cope. It is not racist to say that and anyone who suggests it is racist , is an inverted bigot.

3. Do you mean reincarnation. Yes that would certainly be a fascinating way of going through the centuries. Have you ever read up on regression? Now THAT is a fascinating subject. Deep hypnosis into people delving into their sub-conscious feelings of de javu, past lives etc

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...anyway, to answer the thread of whether humans will ever be truly civilised, I think we are civilised in that we have empathy/compassion/conscience etc and that prevents 'uncivilised' behaviour/actions in most people and I think most people are good...obviously there are extremes of human behaviour which don't have those qualities the same as others and whether it be in the name of religion or any other 'excuse'/cause, they will do bad things...there are also 'bad seeds' or bad people like Anders Breivik who can callously just take lives the way he did, with know emotion/conscience at all...

..will we ever be 'perfect'...I don't think so but I think that would be an extreme as well and possibly create its own problems, it would be interesting I guess...I think a lack of tolerance and judging others in general probably contributes a lot to 'the world's ills'....the internet, social sites/forums etc is a great example of that, especially on a BB forum maybe, where a big part of BB is 'judging' and we hear horror stories of bullying etc and generally bad behaviour all the time from sites like Ask.fm and awful behaviour hostile behaviour between people who don't know each other....but the internet is also a huge treasure trove of good things/information/communication as well....so that's a case also of using something for good and positive, rather than bad/evil..which can be done in religion, yes...as it can in many things...I guess it's the 'workman' and not the 'tool'....hmmm, not a great pun/analogy but hey ho.....

I think we have regressed in these areas. we have made so many absurd laws now, that a mere conversation on moral values is almost outlawed and politicians, councillors, even nhs staff barely mention moral questions any more?

The real progession has been made by scientists , biologists, inventors, architects, engineers, manufacturers etc

Much of the rest of humanity has become fat greedy polluting and complacent , riding on the coat tails of these brilliant people

the BIGGEST problem we have too is misunderstanding the past. we have failed so many times to learn the real lessons from the past. the lessons learned are instead perverted to suit the agendas of certain groups of people for their own self interests.....This applies to the middle east, Afghanistan, Persian Gulf, Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Saudia Arabia.

Even south Africa is undoing a lot of the great work done

did we ever learn the lessons of our empire? did the americans learn from our successes and failures? did the Chinese learn the lessons of russsias collapsed communist structures?

I say again though the total perversion and misinterpretation of human history is a lethal mistake we are passing on through the generations and is getting worse. This includes the utterly perverted one eyed brainless rewriting of history by the uber- destructive hate fuelled radical feminists. All extremists who wish to damage society need to come back to the centre and learn listen and understand. the first rule of compromise is understanding the way to compromise is found somewhere between the extreme viewpoints

[Kizzy]

I don't know any utterly perverted, one eyed, brainless, uber destructive, hate fuelled radical feminists.
I know a quite a few people whose views are a bit cock-eyed.

[Stu]

Something tells me some sort of skewered personal experience must have come in to play to spurn the truth in to including feminists in a post about various bugbears that are holding humans back that much. It's been a bizarre, recurring theme in a few of his posts now ...

[Nedusa]

Well at least if we learn to stop cutting people's heads off in the name of worshipping invisible people living in clouds then that might be a step forward ....!!!

[Kizzy]

Stop dragging it back to extremism, a few indoctrinated individuals do not account for the whole of so called civilised society.
That was a political issue, the fact that that act was seen as so utterly abhorrent is a sign of civility?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Stu

Something tells me some sort of skewered personal experience must have come in to play to spurn the truth in to including feminists in a post about various bugbears that are holding humans back that much. It's been a bizarre, recurring theme in a few of his posts now ...

Yes Some
Women Destroy Men


Of Course many Men
Destroy Women as well




Life In The Fast Lane

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Stop dragging it back to extremism, a few indoctrinated individuals do not account for the whole of so called civilised society.
That was a political issue, the fact that that act was seen as so utterly abhorrent is a sign of civility?

Sorry , you can try and label this as the actions of a few but in a truly enlightened and evolved society NOBODY would undertake actions of this depravity for any reason.

Until the last individual moves on none of us can truly move on.

[Kizzy]

You will never have cross cultural civility as the entrenched socialisation is totally different.
Besically there is no level playing field.
That's not even taking the religious element into account.