[Niamh.]

I saw a news story on my Facebook feed about a third couple having been found guilty of murdering their child after following "parenting" instructions from this book. I was originally going to make a thread on that story(found here : http://www.examiner.com/article/anot...ain-up-a-child ) but decided making a thread on the book itself would be better. Has anyone heard of this book before? and how is a book that encourages beating your child with hose pipe, starving your kids and making them sleep outside not only as punishments but before they do anything wrong to "train" them even legal?

They encourage you to even hit 6 month old babies with sticks to train them. This book is actually being sold on amazon........unbelievable

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...ain_Up_a_Child


Here are some recommendations from the book :

Using plastic tubing to beat children, since it hurts a lot but leaves fewer marks to alert authorities
Wearing the plastic tubing around the parent's neck as a constant reminder to obey
"Swatting" babies as young as six months old with instruments such as "a 12-inch willowy branch," thinner plastic tubing or a wooden spoon
"Blanket training" babies by hitting them with an instrument if they try to crawl off a blanket on the floor
Beating older children with rulers, paddles, belts and larger tree branches
"Training" children with pain before they even disobey, in order to teach total obedience
Giving cold water baths, putting children outside in cold weather and withholding meals as discipline
Hosing off children who have potty training accidents
Inflicting punishment until a child is "without breath to complain."


Michael Pearl tells one mother on his website, "I could break his anger in two days. He would be too scared to get angry. On the third day he would draw into a quiet shell and obey."

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I saw a new story on my Facebook feed about a third couple having been found guilty of murdering their child after following "parenting" instructions from this book. I was originally going to make a thread on that story(found here : http://www.examiner.com/article/anot...ain-up-a-child ) but decided making a thread on the book itself would be better. has anyone heard of this book before? and how is a book that encourages beating your child with hose pipe, starving your kids and making them sleep outside not only as punishments but before they do anything wrong to "train" them even legal?

They encourage you to even hit 6 month old babies with sticks to train them. This book is actually being sold on amazon........unbelievable

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...ain_Up_a_Child

That's not the worst of it, I just clicked the link you put and it's got a 3 star bloody rating. Out there some weirdo is probably using this book to train their kid, probably beating them over the head with it and everything.

[Niamh.]

Oh there is actually a petition to have Amazon stop selling it :

https://www.change.org/petitions/ama...children#share

[HD]

"Goodreads.com"

[Niamh.]

Here are some recommendations from the book :

Using plastic tubing to beat children, since it hurts a lot but leaves fewer marks to alert authorities
Wearing the plastic tubing around the parent's neck as a constant reminder to obey
"Swatting" babies as young as six months old with instruments such as "a 12-inch willowy branch," thinner plastic tubing or a wooden spoon
"Blanket training" babies by hitting them with an instrument if they try to crawl off a blanket on the floor
Beating older children with rulers, paddles, belts and larger tree branches
"Training" children with pain before they even disobey, in order to teach total obedience
Giving cold water baths, putting children outside in cold weather and withholding meals as discipline
Hosing off children who have potty training accidents
Inflicting punishment until a child is "without breath to complain."


Michael Pearl tells one mother on his website, "I could break his anger in two days. He would be too scared to get angry. On the third day he would draw into a quiet shell and obey."

[Tom4784]

I hope this man doesn't have any kids, if he does then they should be taken away from him immediately.

[Josy]

I have no idea how this is allowed to be sold? Who the hell are these people that are buying it/carrying out the things that are in it?

Find all their kids and remove them from them immediately.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I hope this man doesn't have any kids, if he does then they should be taken away from him immediately.

Him and his wife wrote the book, they seem to have a bit of a Cult following, scary : / They have 5 children themselves (all adults now)

http://nogreaterjoy.org/about-us/meet-the-pearls/

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Him and his wife wrote the book, they seem to have a bit of a Cult following, scary : / They have 5 children themselves

http://nogreaterjoy.org/about-us/meet-the-pearls/

The authorities need to investigate them

[Kate!]

omg...wtf! Sicko's!

- signs petition instantly -

[Vanessa]

How is this allowed i have no idea. It's murder.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I have no idea how this is allowed to be sold? Who the hell are these people that are buying it/carrying out the things that are in it?

Find all their kids and remove them from them immediately.

here's some comments from people who gave it 5 stars on Amazon :

Spoiler:

1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars biblical truths, November 20, 2013
By vmstoltzfus - See all my reviews
This review is from: To Train Up a Child (Paperback)
Sound biblical truths are all I can say for this book! Read it with an open mind ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and you will see it for what it truly is. Who has better results.... those who do not discipline their children at all or those who discipline with love??? May we know the truth for only the truth will set us free.


1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Bonded Family, November 20, 2013
By Laura Stockman - See all my reviews
This review is from: To Train Up a Child (Paperback)
Our children are happy to obey and we have a lot of fun together. We look forward to the long summer holidays because we enjoy all the extra time we can spend with them. To Train Up a Child is the best book for parents we can recommend!

2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars I have truely read this book!, November 20, 2013
By Debbie Ford - See all my reviews
This review is from: To Train Up a Child (Paperback)
This is a very helpful book that I would tell anyone with kids or planning on having kids to read. It has a lot of very practical ways to teach your kids to be obedient and respectful. This is turn will help you enjoy your children and help your children be happy! These techniques really do work, but you must remember that all of these tips are given in love. Remember no discipline techniques should be taken to extremes. This book is truely eye opening and should be read by all parents who wish to raise their children to be better than society expects them to be!

2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Heavenly Children & Happy Mom's, November 20, 2013
By susan rossbach - See all my reviews
This review is from: To Train Up a Child (Paperback)
This is a great book. It will save your child and your sanity! The Pearls will make it so you love your child and the world loves your child. They teach you important Spirit building as well. Their approach is a refreshing change to the Devil filled world! We have 6 perfect angels (kids) that I can take anywhere and never be embarrassed. All of them will sit and not cause a disturbance in any restaurant or theater. They are truly happy and healthy kids. So many people that talk about their kids like they are burdens that they hate it makes my heart cry. If you don't Love your children the world certainly will not!!! This book is a must have for any new mother!

[Josy]

^^Crazyness, I'm reading some of the reviews on good reads and thankfully the majority of them are negative.

[Vicky.]

I heard about this book a whileback and signed the (or a) petition back then. Its just disgusting.

[Kate!]

it is disgusting, find it hard to comprehend any parent would feel what is being advocated here as a good idea Some people aren't fit to have kids.

[arista]

"Using plastic tubing to beat children, since it hurts a lot but leaves fewer marks to alert authorities"


Shocking

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

How is this allowed i have no idea. It's murder.

American States
use these books

Fear is not something that should ever be used. I prefer the methods that encourage the use of sign language with children before they can talk.

Expression and communication will always be better than shutting people down and telling them that you know best.

[Ammi]

..what I don't understand is how these books are even published ..surely the publishers have to take some responsibility as well...there will always be lunatics out there but as a publisher, you would just take one look at what their views are and send them on their way, with a phone call to child services...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what I don't understand is how these books are even published ..surely the publishers have to take some responsibility as well...there will always be lunatics out there but as a publisher, you would just take one look at what their views are and send them on their way, with a phone call to child services...

Most are American
Nothing like the UK

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Fear is not something that should ever be used. I prefer the methods that encourage the use of sign language with children before they can talk.

Expression and communication will always be better than shutting people down and telling them that you know best.

I agree, I disagree with punishing children physically as a rule but this is an another league altogether

[Ammi]

.. but I don't think the UK is that much better in that UK Amazon still sell it, and maybe it's available in some shops here as well...?... of course, the writers of it are extrememly disturbing but it's a whole 'chain' thing of why it's even available to be bought by anyone else...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.. but I don't think the UK is that much better in that UK Amazon still sell it, and maybe it's available in some shops here as well...?... of course, the writers of it are extrememly disturbing but it's a whole 'chain' thing of why it's even available to be bought by anyone else...

Yes as it makes money.


Its been on many TV Debates
but no one is going to stop using amazon
as they sell so much good stuff cheaper
even grocery.

[Kizzy]

Crazyness... I notice one purchaser states they are 'christian' I just don't know what to say, shocked doesn't really come close.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Crazyness... I notice one purchaser states they are 'christian' I just don't know what to say, shocked doesn't really come close.

I think the people who wrote the book are Christian as well and claim it's a Christian way of bringing up your kids

http://nogreaterjoy.org/about-us/meet-the-pearls/