[qwerty42]

He should be allowed to give his opinion, no hate there at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I hope this isn't about me, the last time I spoke with Jack was saying how we might have a series where we agree which would be nice after all the times we've disagreed and argued over housemates in the past, because you said you liked Ollie

Lucas dont insult my intelligence, I can read ,people really ought to read your and Jacks wall (and others you work in a pack with ) you are not the forums sweethearts you make out you are

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by qwerty42

He should be allowed to give his opinion, no hate there at all.

EXACTLY

[erinp5]

Celebrity Big Brother 2014 bosses have warned Evander Holyfield after the boxer told Luisa Zissman he suggested homosexuality can be cured, and compared it to being ‘handicapped’.

The pair had spent almost all their time in the house together thanks to the series launch twist, which saw the housemates being paired off and handcuffed together until further notice.

However, former Apprentice contestant Luisa became uncomfortable with Evander last night when she asked him whether there are any gay people in boxing, leading the heavyweight champion to reveal his opinions on same-sex relationships.

After Evander said he thinks they “ain’t normal”, Luisa attempted to end the conversation – which had not come to light until it was aired on Channel 5 this evening – but he proceeded to imply that homosexuality could be ‘fixed’.

The transcript of their chat, as aired in the latest highlights show, is as follows:


Luisa: Is there any gay boxers?

Evander: Yeah, I’m sure there is.

Luisa: Is it public knowledge?

Evander: Ain’t no-one came out and said they were.

Luisa: I think it’s really bad that no-one stands up and says it in the sporting industries. I think it’s good to be open about that because it’s normal.

Evander: What would be good about it? That ain’t normal.

Luisa: We shouldn’t have this conversation. No, let’s not have this conversation, it won’t be good.

Evander: The bible let’s you know, that’s wrong, that’s right.

Luisa: That’s just the way some people are.

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right.

Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.

Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…

Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.

Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…

Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.

Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way…

Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.

Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made.

Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.

Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.

“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.

“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

“Yeah I understand why, I forgot about the thing,” Evander answered. “I was just telling her my opinion, but it’s not like I was gonna mention it to anybody else, that was just our conversation.”

“Big Brother does not tolerate the use of offensive language and must therefore warn you to consider very carefully the effect expressing such views may have and the harm and offence you may cause by repeating these views inside the house,” the all-seeing eye continued. “Do you understand, Evander?”

“Okay then,” said Evander. “Yes I do.”


Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/news/01...#ixzz2pZPB4icY

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No he didnt ,hes very religious and 100% right when he said "In the Bible its classed as wrong " this is true ,Luissa asked him a question ,he answered ,What wrong in that baffles me

My Nan is very religious too, people call her Dot because of how devout she is but she's not narrow minded enough to believe everything written millions of years ago is relevant now and she adores my cousin whos gay, she treats him exactly the same as the rest of us.

He's entitled to his opinion sure but I'm entitled to think it's a horrible opinion he should be ashamed of having.

[M X]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

EXACTLY

no shouting

[Jack_]

pmsl the last thing I'm considered on here is a 'forum sweetheart'

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well I was not happy wth what he said or the way he portrayed his view. I found the response from him unacceptable on the issue.

I said earlier the BB house is not a private house where people have private conversations, he said on public TV he thought being gay was wrong and went on to compoare it with being handicapped thereby indicating those who are gay could do something about it to maybe 'cure' it.

It is opinions like that reinforce the old discriminatory views and attitudes towards gay communities
That is where he was wrong and way out of order, he is entitled to his view, even if it is totally wrong, but keep that view to himself and not spout out his rubbish on a National TV programme.

When asked the question by Luisa, (knowing his own views on the subject), he is a man of some age he should have said that is not a discussion I want to have and would prefer not to answer, that was the simple way out.
He was not however, having a private conversation with Luisa because there is no such thing as private conversations in the BB house whatsoever.

so ban all conversation? outlaw all varying opinions on everything? absurd ...typical radical liberalist waffle
the only way things move forward is through open communication and education
in this specific case CBB was sly and should either have shown it and not warned him or not shown it at all

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by the truth

possibly the stupidest thing every written by an alleged human being

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Salman!

can you please say something else apart from shut your pie hole it's annoying as fk

Shut your cake hole

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Celebrity Big Brother 2014 bosses have warned Evander Holyfield after the boxer told Luisa Zissman he suggested homosexuality can be cured, and compared it to being ‘handicapped’.

The pair had spent almost all their time in the house together thanks to the series launch twist, which saw the housemates being paired off and handcuffed together until further notice.

However, former Apprentice contestant Luisa became uncomfortable with Evander last night when she asked him whether there are any gay people in boxing, leading the heavyweight champion to reveal his opinions on same-sex relationships.

After Evander said he thinks they “ain’t normal”, Luisa attempted to end the conversation – which had not come to light until it was aired on Channel 5 this evening – but he proceeded to imply that homosexuality could be ‘fixed’.

The transcript of their chat, as aired in the latest highlights show, is as follows:


Luisa: Is there any gay boxers?

Evander: Yeah, I’m sure there is.

Luisa: Is it public knowledge?

Evander: Ain’t no-one came out and said they were.

Luisa: I think it’s really bad that no-one stands up and says it in the sporting industries. I think it’s good to be open about that because it’s normal.

Evander: What would be good about it? That ain’t normal.

Luisa: We shouldn’t have this conversation. No, let’s not have this conversation, it won’t be good.

Evander: The bible let’s you know, that’s wrong, that’s right.

Luisa: That’s just the way some people are.

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right.

Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.

Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…

Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.

Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…

Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.

Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way…

Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.

Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made.

Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.

Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.

“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.

“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

“Yeah I understand why, I forgot about the thing,” Evander answered. “I was just telling her my opinion, but it’s not like I was gonna mention it to anybody else, that was just our conversation.”

“Big Brother does not tolerate the use of offensive language and must therefore warn you to consider very carefully the effect expressing such views may have and the harm and offence you may cause by repeating these views inside the house,” the all-seeing eye continued. “Do you understand, Evander?”

“Okay then,” said Evander. “Yes I do.”


Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/news/01...#ixzz2pZPB4icY

Thanks for that erin,makes it easier to follow

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

What this got to do with the colour of his skin or his profession ?

[Benjamin]

Actually thinking about it Michael, you sit their and tell me I actively support homophobia. What do you actively go out and do to help the cause? This isnt a rude question, Id like to know if you actually do anything for it.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Jack_

pmsl the last thing I'm considered on here is a 'forum sweetheart'

You're an 'orrible *******.

But yeah I'm no sweetheart and I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I don't have a problem with you anymore Chuff, but you can say what you feel, I know you're opinionated, as am I!

Anyway back on topic, is there a topic anymore idek. Yeah Evander can say what he feels, but I don't agree with him!

[the truth]

luissa began the whole conversation and stressed her opinion homosexuality is normal
evander was in effect asked his opinion and he gave it. then he was punished simpky for giving his own opinion, even though it was clearly not intended to offend he was put on the spot. would you all prefer he pretended to agreewith luissa? or that he said nothing? hed have been hammered then for being boring

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

so ban all conversation? outlaw all varying opinions on everything? absurd ...typical radical liberalist waffle
the only way things move forward is through open communication and education
in this specific case CBB was sly and should either have shown it and not warned him or not shown it at all

In no way am I saying that and you know fine well I am not, this thread is asking for opinions on what he said and what we saw for ourselves as to what he said and the way he said it.
I have given mine and stated he irritated me for the resons I have set out in at least 3 posts now.

It was said on here that he was in a private conversation with Luisa, I stress again, there are no such things as private conversations in the BB house.
I still think he was wrong and out of order and duly warranted the talk/warning that then ensued.

[Tom4784]

I think the issues of race and sexuality are very similar and comparable, you don't choose the colour of your skin and you can't choose your sexuality, both are just simply apart of who you are.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What this got to do with the colour of his skin or his profession ?

coming from a country that had black people as slaves, he is a hypocrite. his opinions on gay people is no better than the white people who believed black people to be an inferior race.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think the issues of race and sexuality are very similar and comparable, you don't choose the colour of your skin and you can't choose your sexuality, both are just simply apart of who you are.

Absolutely right.

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

It's not important if black/gay people were born that way, if they had chosen to be that they should still be respected and treated the same way.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

You're an 'orrible *******.

But yeah I'm no sweetheart and I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I don't have a problem with you anymore Chuff, but you can say what you feel, I know you're opinionated, as am I!

Anyway back on topic, is there a topic anymore idek. Yeah Evander can say what he feels, but I don't agree with him!

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

[M X]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Actually thinking about it Michael, you sit their and tell me I actively support homophobia. What do you actively go out and do to help the cause? This isnt a rude question, Id like to know if you actually do anything for it.

Not that it's any of your business, but I'm actually part of a peer support group in which we get allocated somebody who is struggling in their lives and we meet up with them once a week just to act as a friend to them, and the girl I've been meeting with for 6 months now, Yasmin, was bullied out of school after she was outed as bisexual by her best friend.

And I've also been part of The Human Rights Group within my high school which has provided support for people who are struggling with any type of discrimination, homophobia included, but away from support it was more about spreading awareness on all issues to do with human rights, from genocide in Tibet, to the ill treatment in North Korea, to issues like homophobia and racism in our own country. And we have done classes, assemblies, and fundraising type things as part of this.

So in short, yes.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Chuck

It's not important if black/gay people were born that way, if they had chosen to be that they should still be respected and treated the same way.

you wont get an argument from me about your post.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think the issues of race and sexuality are very similar and comparable, you don't choose the colour of your skin and you can't choose your sexuality, both are just simply apart of who you are.

so following your train of logic its ok for evander to bring disability and homosexuality into the same sentence?

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

Absolutely.. personally I'd like if everybody thought like me, Arcade Fire would be the biggest band in the world. But unfortunately I know people are allowed their own opinions and I respect that!