[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I hope you don't mind me asking but are you gay?

Unless you are a homosexual then im sorry you cannot make a valid point as you do not know how it is to be gay.

We have feeling for the same sex as you would for the opposite and that's a powerful thing, its something that cannot be changed or forgotten about. You can pretend but it will allways be there.

This has already been said to them a million times all they can reply is "you can't speak for every gay person" or you're being heterophobic. It's not even worth bothering.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I hope you don't mind me asking but are you gay?

Unless you are a homosexual then im sorry you cannot make a valid point as you do not know how it is to be gay.

We have feeling for the same sex as you would for the opposite and that's a powerful thing, its something that cannot be changed or forgotten about. You can pretend but it will allways be there.

You talk as if being gay is a burden ?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

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If you haven't seen the last series of The Apprentice,you should check it out! She's very manipulative,and good at playing innocent when it suits,which is ideal for the murky world of big business,but she'll take a few Celebrities down in BB,if they don't know her game!?!

..hmm, I must admit that I only half paid attention to The Apprentice but I'll completely take your word about her 'manipulating skills..'..and that may be true in this case also..?...but it doesn't mean she's manipulative in every area of her life, so it could also just mean, she didn't quite know what to say or handle the situation correctly..?...

[MeMyselfAndI]

Luisa didn't string the conversation along, she tried too stop him from saying anything at all three times, as well as saying that they should have the conversation outside the house instead, she was very kind & actually tried saving Evander's popularity, rather than sit back & do nothing like most would have.

Also why else would Luisa want Evander too dig his grave when the celebrities were told they'd face eviction in their pairs, this further proves my earlier point of her trying too save Evander for either her own intentions too stay or too protect him, either way she is not at fault at all.

Jesus... some peoples lack of logic

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

clearly youre naive to luissa
his answer wasnt homophobic. youre views however on here are discriminatory bordering on bigoted

His answers were homophobic.

Homophobia is an irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people and that's how he behaved. Calling someone wrong based on their sexuality is not acceptable and its a fact you can change you religion but you cannot change being gay.

Im gay and Christian so I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.

You need to stop throwing insults, I am not a "bigot" my posts are based on both sides. Please read my original post.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Saying being gay isn't normal and comparing it to a disablility is homophobic, and he was rightfully warned and exposed to the public

he didnt compare it to a disability. youre taking his words out of context which is really disingenuous of you. he has the right to his opinions, just as you and others here have a right to hate Christians. However evander didnt stereotype every gay person on earth the way posters are here against Christians , nor did he say they are brainwashed the way poisters say here about millions of Christians. truth is you nor I nor anyone can speak for all gay people, all hetro people, or all Christians. every is different. why someone is hetro or homosexual or non sexual or bi sexual or even a paedophile , who knows? the whole issue is multi factorial. was I born hetrosexual , fancying big chested women ? was my mates born fancying or loving blonde women? men? I dont know. its definietly not as black and white as some posters here claim

was jimmy saville born a paedophile? if he was does that mean all paedophiles are born that way? I dont know. Im not so arrogant as some posters to claim to know the black and white answers to every persons sexuality on the planet

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

His answers were homophobic.

Homophobia is an irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people and that's how he behaved. Calling someone wrong based on their sexuality is not acceptable and its a fact you can change you religion but you cannot change being gay.

Im gay and Christian so I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.

You need to stop throwing insults, I am not a "bigot" my posts are based on both sides. Please read my original post.

youre the one throwing insults , please refrain from more endless hypocrisy. Youre the one who labelled vast millions of Christians as brainwashed. youre the one who stereotypes gay people and Christians. who are you to judge how and why someone makes their sexual choices? theres billions of people , each of whom is an individual, they dont all think exactly like you, nor do they have to. Youre anti Christian words and stereotypes are far more discriminatory than anything evander said

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Why would she set him up If she thought it would offend the public and they are both facing eviction?

The house are under the impression they being evicted in pairs and that is why she was telling him to stop. I don't think she expected the answer he gave would be so homophobic.

I'm guessing that she has done her homework,and knows fine well that they won't evict 2 people after only 3 days! Even if they did,she would come out smelling of roses? Why would you ask a heavyweight boxer "Are there many gay boxers?"? I'm guessing there are some,but they probably don't advertise the fact! It was such a loaded question,especially if he had mentioned his religious beliefs previously?!?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

you arent a Christian and you cant speak for all Christians just as you cant speak for all gay people. youre stereotyping people far far more than evander holyfield

Erm I am Christian? You don't know me.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Luisa didn't string the conversation along, she tried too stop him from saying anything at all three times, as well as saying that they should have the conversation outside the house instead, she was very kind & actually tried saving Evander's popularity, rather than sit back & do nothing like most would have.

Also why else would Luisa want Evander too dig his grave when the celebrities were told they'd face eviction in their pairs, this further proves my earlier point of her trying too save Evander for either her own intentions too stay or too protect him, either way she is not at fault at all.

Jesus... some peoples lack of logic

she made it appear that way for sure. easily done by a master manipulator. strange how no one else got evander into such a tricky situation. why even bring up such a controversial subject out of the blue like that? no doubt she was watching for the live camera the moment she spoke

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm I am Christian? You don't know me.

and you dont know the billions of people youre stereotyping

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

I think you're looking at it in a very two-dimensional way. Clearly your sexuality came very 'natural' to you - so maybe you cannot understand that for a lot of sexes who are interested in the same sex it can often be far more complex than 'knowing' you are gay.

Not at all.

I didn't want to be gay ive had several relationships with women but I met a guy and the penny dropped.

I have experienced both sides and know who truly who I am by doing so.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

she made it appear that way for sure. easily done by a master manipulator. strange how no one else got evander into such a tricky situation. why even bring up such a controversial subject out of the blue like that? no doubt she was watching for the live camera the moment she spoke

Oh come on! Maybe she was looking for drama or whatever but that doesn't excuse what he said or make it her fault that he thinks that way. We're all responsible for ourselves and what we say

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh come on! Maybe she was looking for drama or whatever but that doesn't excuse what he said or make it her fault that he thinks that way. We're all responsible for ourselves and what we say

we are , hes responsible and so is she for being a devious manipulative cow. i wish someone had warned him about her

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Not at all.

I didn't want to be gay ive had several relationships with women but I met a guy and the penny dropped.

I have experienced both sides and know who truly who I am by doing so.

ok good for you, thats your experience. it doesnt mean everyone elses is exactly the same

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You talk as if being gay is a burden ?

It is when you choose to ignore it.

Anyway you just dodged my question so obviously you cannot give an opinion if you have never experienced it.

Its like me reviewing a song without ever even hearing it.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Originally Posted by the truth

she made it appear that way for sure. easily done by a master manipulator. strange how no one else got evander into such a tricky situation. why even bring up such a controversial subject out of the blue like that? no doubt she was watching for the live camera the moment she spoke

Out of the blue? They talk 24/7 topics like this will come up, it was just a question asking if there was any gay boxers. I'd most likely ask that too Evander after a day of conversations running dry & being 1 on 1 all the time. It was a harmless question, it's not her fault he expanded on his answer after she told him too stop multiple times & even warned him its not suitable too have this conversation in the BB house with camera's

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

we are , hes responsible and so is she for being a devious manipulative cow. i wish someone had warned him about her

Someone "warning" him about her would not have made his views any less homophobic

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

It is when you choose to ignore it.

Anyway you just dodged my question so obviously you cannot give an opinion if you have never experienced it.

Its like me reviewing a song without ever even hearing it.

so no one is allowed an opinion on anything unless they do it themselves? so football fans cant discuss football? the public cant discuss politics? only news readers can discuss the news? funny how you dont want to be judged yet you judge other people whos lives you know almost nothing of, nor have you walked in their shoes....you even stereotype fellow Christiana and gay people which is what youre meant to be preaching agsint...utter hypocritical nonsense

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Not at all.

I didn't want to be gay ive had several relationships with women but I met a guy and the penny dropped.

I have experienced both sides and know who truly who I am by doing so.

But you said earlier though you never chose to be gay. Implying that sexuality is not a choice. Which it is entirely a choice for many people.

Obviously I cannot make too strong of a judgement as I know nothing about you. But you seem to be contradicting your previous comments.

Either way. Sexuality is complex. There is no simple answer to it and it is different for every individual.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

It is when you choose to ignore it.

Anyway you just dodged my question so obviously you cannot give an opinion if you have never experienced it.

Its like me reviewing a song without ever even hearing it.

..I don't think that's true, Daniel..that you cannot give an opinion on something unless you have personally experienced it...the same could be said of anything really..say, for instance you could have an opinion of someone with bad parenting skills and maybe you're not a parent yourself but your opinion would be just as valid as anyone else's...but I would say that it's probably correct to say that you wouldn't have had the experience and that's something that people in general who have opinions should listen to...people who have 'lived' a particular experience..?..but even then, different experiences and views etc would probably differ....

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

This has already been said to them a million times all they can reply is "you can't speak for every gay person" or you're being heterophobic. It's not even worth bothering.

I was the person who said you were being heterophobic,in a lighthearted post,to try to diffuse the volatile situation last night! You said that "straight" people could never understand how gay people feel. I explained how I knew,and then you accused me of saying that gay people chose to be gay,which I didn't!! When I pointed out that I'm fully aware that most people are born gay,you chose to ignore me!?!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Someone "warning" him about her would not have made his views any less homophobic

she asked him but immediately interrupted him by saying out of the blue all the right cliches, its great to be gay etc she wwas clearly trying to provoke him and provoke a reaction. she also didnt allow him to explain himself properly. shes far more educated and knows big brother and PC britian inside out. she knew he was naive uneducated ineloquent and in a totlaly alien environment. so set him up for the fall, easily done. funny she doesnt ask him about his charity work or the foundations hes set up for disadvantaged kids? funny how she ignored him when he was discussing his career etc
shes toxic and will prove to be so over the next few weeks.....obviosuly she had no idea such a topic could become controversial? no never. shes not very bright is she?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Evander was very lucky he was talking too Luisa & no one else, anyone else would have wanted too know more of what Evander had too say, or argued causing him too spill more homophobic views that would have ruined his reputation. Instead Luisa just wanted too end the conversation & stop him from digging his own grave, if she had been staring at the camera's & wanting attention as you say, she would have argued against Evander forcefully showing the public, but instead she ended the conversation.

Truely a great girl, my opinion of her has risen massively

[MeMyselfAndI]

Evander was very lucky he was talking too Luisa & no one else, anyone else would have wanted too know more of what Evander had too say, or argued causing him too spill more homophobic views that would have ruined his reputation. Instead Luisa just wanted too end the conversation & stop him from digging his own grave, if she had been staring at the camera's & wanting attention as you say, she would have argued against Evander forcefully showing the public, but instead she ended the conversation.

Truely a great girl, my opinion of her has risen massively