[Niamh.]

I don't think they're psychopathic killers like the examples given but I think it's possible that she died accidentally and they covered it up for some reason or another

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Hardly comparable - look at their backgrounds and the fact they were not married and did not have exemplary employment records. Both examples were caught relatively easily due to their stupidity and condition.

( I was kind of hoping for Bonnie and Clyde)

Oh, it's comparable. Just a little more scary when it is an intelligent couple who are much less likely to be accused.

Personally, I don't think they are psychopaths, I don't even think they killed her (directly). I think they are self-obsessed as per my post above. Something happened while they were out, most plausible being Madeleine fell and died, and because the children were sedated, they were terrified they would be blamed (as indeed, largely, they are.) I don't know of anyone that believes the intruder theory.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think they're psychopathic killers like the examples given but I think it's possible that she died accidentally and they covered it up for some reason or another

Its too far fetched to think it would not have come out by now. There is nothing in their behavior pre or post that would suggest this

[Jezzy]

Haha, jinx Niamh :P

[Vicky.]

To solve this case,they need to take a proper look at the parents and the actions of their friends that night. Not run scared of the press who tend to go mental at the slightest mention that mr and mrs angelic could have anything to do with it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Its too far fetched to think it would not have come out by now. There is nothing in their behavior pre or post that would suggest this

It's not that far fetched and there's plenty been said about their behaviour that didn't seem right

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Haha, jinx Niamh :P

lol

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Its too far fetched to think it would not have come out by now. There is nothing in their behavior pre or post that would suggest this

Catweazel (and welcome, btw )

Do you think they are at least guilty of child neglect?

[Vicky.]

And burglars dont steal children whilst leaving valuables in the apartment untouched.

It's just impossible to cover something like this up, and the evidence of their involvement doesn't exist.


It might be worth merging this with the other massive thread, so any of the newer posters can see how these arguments have played out before?

The Portuguese were desperate for it to be them, and they couldn't pin a damn thing on them. That for me, is evidence enough. They were completely negligent as parents the night she disappeared, but if it was any of your family members, you'd all be going up the wall at the instinctive knowledge that people have. Innocent until proven guilty, and there isn't any evidence to charge them with, let alone convict them.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Catweazel (and welcome, btw )

Do you think they are at least guilty of child neglect?

Not on the slightest no

(and you could allege that at every new parent at some point)

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Oh, it's comparable. Just a little more scary when it is an intelligent couple who are much less likely to be accused.

Personally, I don't think they are psychopaths, I don't even think they killed her (directly). I think they are self-obsessed as per my post above. Something happened while they were out, most plausible being Madeleine fell and died, and because the children were sedated, they were terrified they would be blamed (as indeed, largely, they are.) I don't know of anyone that believes the intruder theory.

it is comparable, as Jezzy says, and I used them merely as examples to respond to the point that two psychopaths wouldn't be together.

Back to the McCann's, I am also of the opinion that something happened to that little girl due to their neglect as expressed in the post quoted above and the whole 'abduction' thing was a very carefully orchestrated and thorough cover up to protect themselves at all costs.

I remember thinking at the time that Kate McCann was eerily calm, their story not ring true at all.

And everything I have heard and read since only substantiates my suspicions.

[Jezzy]

Catweazle, I was left a single parent when my two were 30 months and 19 months respectively. Never once did I leave them alone, not even to pop across the road for a paper.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

Not on the slightest no

(and you could allege that at every new parent at some point)

Eh? I know no new parents who leave their kids indoors alone (with doors unlocked too) so they can go out eating and drinking with friends quite a distance away?

I understand the views of those who think the parents are innocent of anything dodgy. But to deny they were neglectful at all that night..well, I have never heard that one before.

[Kazanne]

There are so many unanswered questions in this case,I have found things out I never even knew about like the fridge that he dumped from the apartment that wasn't even his to dump,wtf? I'm not accusing them ,but WHY wouldn't they take a lie detector?Why do so many things not add up?God knows what happened but I do think in someway her parents were involved and why weren't they charged with child neglect at least.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Catweazle, I was left a single parent when my two were 30 months and 19 months respectively. Never once did I leave them alone, not even to pop across the road for a paper.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Eh? I know no new parents who leave their kids indoors alone (with doors unlocked too) so they can go out eating and drinking with friends quite a distance away?

I understand the views of those who think the parents are innocent of anything dodgy. But to deny they were neglectful at all that night..well, I have never heard that one before.

Yep, agree with these, especially with kids that young as well who were liable to wake up looking for their parents in the middle of the night (and Maddie had done the previous night apparently and Kate and gerry still went out after that even after Maddie told them she was looking for them

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

It's just impossible to cover something like this up, and the evidence of their involvement doesn't exist.


It might be worth merging this with the other massive thread, so any of the newer posters can see how these arguments have played out before?

The Portuguese were desperate for it to be them, and they couldn't pin a damn thing on them. That for me, is evidence enough. They were completely negligent as parents the night she disappeared, but if it was any of your family members, you'd all be going up the wall at the instinctive knowledge that people have. Innocent until proven guilty, and there isn't any evidence to charge them with, let alone convict them.

I avoid this discussion 100% now but I agree with you completely

[chuff me dizzy]

British police cannot arrest anyone in this case, it is, and always will be a Portuguese case ,dont let the tabloids fool you, this is just another smoke screen set up by McCanns and Clarence mitchell to try to ocver up the fact they are losing the libel case ongoing in Portugal with Amaral who wrote a book based on police files (Portuguese, and Uk) where it resulted BOTH police forces know McCann guilty

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

It's just impossible to cover something like this up, and the evidence of their involvement doesn't exist.


It might be worth merging this with the other massive thread, so any of the newer posters can see how these arguments have played out before?

The Portuguese were desperate for it to be them, and they couldn't pin a damn thing on them. That for me, is evidence enough. They were completely negligent as parents the night she disappeared, but if it was any of your family members, you'd all be going up the wall at the instinctive knowledge that people have. Innocent until proven guilty, and there isn't any evidence to charge them with, let alone convict them.

Really Jesus ,you really need to look deep into this case,or not post on it

[Jezzy]

Let's not forget either that there was a night creche operating onsite for those parents who did want a night out on their own...

[chuff me dizzy]

It has also come out since Crimewatch ,that the "new "efits that Redwood called "CRITICAL evidence, were suppressed by McCanns for 5 years !!!! They even went to the lengths of threatening to sue the "Private investigaters " (never worked on a missing child case before, specialised in money laundering ??) if they let the efit leak out, Why would McCanns do that I here you ask ? ....because the efit, was of the man the ONLY true witness that night Martin Smith and his family ,named to be GERRY MCCANN ,I know from forums ,twitter that THOUSANDS have rung crimewatch naming the efit as being Gerry McCann

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

British police cannot arrest anyone in this case, it is, and always will be a Portuguese case ,dont let the tabloids fool you, this is just another smoke screen set up by McCanns and Clarence mitchell to try to ocver up the fact they are losing the libel case ongoing in Portugal with Amaral who wrote a book based on police files (Portuguese, and Uk) where it resulted BOTH police forces know McCann guilty

I read the boot chuff.. It convinced me of their innocence moreso.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I read the boot chuff.. It convinced me of their innocence moreso.

Are you another that believes that the sniffer dog evidence should be dismissed? If so, why? Genuine question, not provoking you.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Really Jesus ,you really need to look deep into this case,or not post on it

Chuff - we've danced this dance before and neither of us have got anywhere with the other one. The approach you admitted to taking in the previous thread was nothing short of mind-blowingly inappropriate (that's me trying my best to be really polite). I looked through those links about cadaver and all that stuff you provided, but 30 seconds on google reveals it was nowhere near as cast iron as you and a bunch of others have convinced yourselves it is/was.

I also find your continued arrogance on this subject revealing. You have too much invested in this case to let it go. If no further evidence is brought up from now until the time you leave this earth, you'll still be convinced. If there is evidence brought up that proves them guilty of anything other than being irresponsible, then I'd accept it. I'm not part of any internet groups that try and push a certain agenda. There is a stark difference in the way both of us view/approach this case.

I think, and this is a compliment here, most people are so kind, and geared towards the protection of children, that even just leaving them alone as the McCanns' and friends did that night, seems so negligent to most of us, that people can't accept that's where their involvement ends.

I have no idea whether I'm right or wrong, I just know that I don't know. And if I don't know, then you can't know either.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I read the boot chuff.. It convinced me of their innocence moreso.

Read this ,its where all case facts are ,including witness statements,videos,take time to read GASPAR STATEMENTS you will see what behind this case ........ http://www.mccannfiles.com/

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Are you another that believes that the sniffer dog evidence should be dismissed? If so, why? Genuine question, not provoking you.

Like it was in the Shannon Matthews case? Yes, definitely.