[arista]

“I talked to women about this and they said,
it is a good fantasy, especially
when you’re young, because if
you enjoy it, it’s not your fault.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex...rtin-Amis.html



Martin Amis, the outspoken British novelist,
is in hot water after some rather ill-chosen
words about women, sex and consent.
Dr Brooke Magnanti, a fan of his books,
is surprised anyone expected
anything better from him







This was debated on the Wright stuff this morning.


Its a Fantasy Role Play
that the Lady wants
then thats fine.

[Z]

That's it Honey

[Kizzy]

The article was written by Belle De Jour...

Anyhoo, being 'ravished' and being 'raped' are not the same..

[LeatherTrumpet]

Iv never met a woman who did not like a bit of that but what Kizzy says above

[lostalex]

and some women fantasize about getting ****ed by dogs, there;s a fetish for everyone. anything you can think of, there's a woman who fantasizes about it, what;'s your point?

human sexuality is individual. we're all snow flakes, no 2 are exactly the same. there's a huge variety. nothing shocking about that.

[Tom4784]

It's a bit of an overreaction, like Kizzy said, being ravished and being raped are two completely different things.

I think he has a point though, I'm not exactly well versed in chick-lit but I'm willing to bet you'll find a lot more Bella Swans, Sookie Stackhouses and whatever the bint's name is in Fifty Shades over more dominant female lead characters.

[Vanessa]

A bit of role play can be fun, but rape? No, thanks.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

A bit of role play can be fun, but rape? No, thanks.

We can take that out of it.

[lostalex]

Just because you like aggressive sex under very specific circumstances, doesn't mean you want all men to be aggressive.

women like CERTAIN men, that they choose, and feel comfortable with, to be aggressive in some ways.

that doesn't mean that they would be attracted to an ugly man being aggressive.

it's always dangerous for this kind of thing to be discussed, because then some men think it means they should be aggressive towards women in order to be attractive.

and then you hear the usual crap from rejected men "well i thought women wanted an aggressive assertive man, why do they send mixed signals??"

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by arista

We can take that out of it.

I'm sure some people would be up for it. As long as it's consenting adults i don't have a problem with it. But it's not for me.

[lostalex]

women want HOT guys to be assertive and dominate, not ugly guys. let's get that clear.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

women want hot guys to be assertive and dominate, not ugly guys. let's get that clear.

Beauty is very subjective though. What i find attractive someone else might not.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Beauty is very subjective though. What i find attractive someone else might not.

but you don't want an ugly guy to try to dominate you, right?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but you don't want an ugly guy to try to dominate you, right?

For me looks are nothing without personality. I need both possibly.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me looks are nothing without personality. I need both possibly.

yea, but you don't want an ugly guy being aggressive towards you , right? (this really shouldn't be a hard question to answer)

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, but you don't want an ugly guy being aggressive towards you , right?

It depends if i'm attracted to him or not. I have weird taste in men. lol

[Kizzy]

It's got jack all to do with looks.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's got jack all to do with looks.

Agreed. It's way more than that.

[lostalex]

How is it then that straight men always complain about getting laid when so many women seem to say it's not about looks? I'm just confused.

you straight people are so crazy :P i just don't get it.

[the truth]

trouble is so many women lie about these matters that it becomes very difficult to believe them. the ones who lie give a bad name to those true victims. the ones who do lie to police and judges with false allegations simply out of spite or for financial gain need to go to prison for a long time. this is the only way to send the message out to these thousands of lying women

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's got jack all to do with looks.

i think youre exaggerating your point. looks is always a factor one way or another

[Vicky.]

Domination has always been one of my fantasies tbh...and many of my friends too.

[Vanessa]

I much prefer to dominate.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Domination has always been one of my fantasies tbh...and many of my friends too.

why do so few women admit this iin the media especially?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

i think youre exaggerating your point. looks is always a factor one way or another

And what exactly is your point? It's been sad that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so what's to add to that?