[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-kebabs.html

This is just ****ing ridiculous. 30k spent on a gastric band and the following procedures..and the guy starts eating liquefied kebabs and stuff. Surely it would make sense to have some kind of 'food counselling' or something after throwing all that money at his ops? Mind maybe they didn't think he would be sick enough to do this.

A girl I know has been an alcoholic since she was a young teen and is about 35 or so now. This past 2 years she has been in hospital for various procedures (usually draining liquid from around her liver) which must have cost a bomb. But whats the point? She gets out and starts getting pissed again. What good is doing all these ops and such on her doing...besides wasting money the NHS doesn't have?

We have idiots like that Josie Cunningham bragging about getting BOOB JOBS on the NHS to further their careers...

And now we have the hormone blocking rubbish for 9 year olds in the pipeline.

Honestly, is it any wonder the NHS is skint? Stuff like this seriously bugs me when there are cancer patients and such who are denied treatment as funding is too low, yet we can give gastric bands to people who waste them, and help to alcoholics who have no intention of getting better? Boob jobs to bimbos and potentially life ruining procedures to children...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-kebabs.html

This is just ****ing ridiculous. 30k spent on a gastric band and the following procedures..and the guy starts eating liquefied kebabs and stuff. Surely it would make sense to have some kind of 'food counselling' or something after throwing all that money at his ops? Mind maybe they didn't think he would be sick enough to do this.

A girl I know has been an alcoholic since she was a young teen and is about 35 or so now. This past 2 years she has been in hospital for various procedures (usually draining liquid from around her liver) which must have cost a bomb. But whats the point? She gets out and starts getting pissed again. What good is doing all these ops and such on her doing...besides wasting money the NHS doesn't have?

We have idiots like that Josie Cunningham bragging about getting BOOB JOBS on the NHS to further their careers...

And now we have the hormone blocking rubbish for 9 year olds in the pipeline.

Honestly, is it any wonder the NHS is skint? Stuff like this seriously bugs me when there are cancer patients and such who are denied treatment as funding is too low, yet we can give gastric bands to people who waste them, and help to alcoholics who have no intention of getting better? Boob jobs to bimbos and potentially life ruining procedures to children...

Couldn't agree more.

[Ninastar]

the NHS definitely needs to be looked at again... some people with depression are put on waiting lists for 8 months+... totally disgusting! I know two people now who have killed themselves because help wasn't available.

[smeagol]

yeah its all mad maybe they should have a seperate fund for the nhs that gets taken out of our wages and those who need gastric bands etc pay more.
i dont know something should be done as there is people in need of help just not getting it.
the alcoholic one is tricky you got to help them if you can if the health requires it.

gastric band is a luxury and should not be provided.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smeagol

yeah its all made. maybe they should have a seperate fund for the nhs that gets taken out of our wages and those who need gastric bands etc pay more.
i dont know something should be done as there is people in need of help just not getting it.
the alcoholic one is tricky you got to help them if you can if the health requires it.

gastric band is a luxury and should not be provided.

But she has no intention of ever stopping drinking, and has told the nurses and such that too. Yet they are still obligated to help her? Seems wrong that

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But she has no intention of ever stopping drinking, and has told the nurses and such that too. Yet they are still obligated to help her? Seems wrong that

yea she's among thousands. but could you turn them away if they needed something medical.
its like if someone is obese and they have a heart attack you cant turn them away cause its there own fault and they wont change their lifestyle
you got to help them and hope some learn. is all they can do


gastric bands boob jobs and the kid thing though is bad. thats a choice not a need

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smeagol

yea she's among thousands. but could you turn them away if they needed something medical.
its like if someone is obese and they have a heart attack you cant turn them away cause its there own fault and they wont change their lifestyle
you got to help them and hope some learn. is all they can do


gastric bands boob jobs and the kid thing though is bad. thats a choice not a need

I don't know myself as to alcoholic related illnesses and smoking,after all the taxes on these items bring in massive revenue to the treasury.
As it happens however,I know someone who is an alcoholic, he really has tried to keep off it but fails.
There again, he wouldn't be an alcoholic if there weren't dangers of him relapsing and drinking again.

If alcoholics are not drink free for at least 6 months,then they would not be considered for a transplant, however it cannot be right to leave people in pain and not help someone if the help is available.

As I have seen, it is very far from easy being an alcoholic, once the Liver disease is advanced too then it is a hard existence,I couldn't turn my back on them.
It is also the ignorance of other people too, when out with the person I am taking about it is incredible the pressure he gets from others saying ''one drink won't hurt you'' and some have even poured a single vodka into his soft drink too.

People with any eating disorders be it obesity caused by overeating or people starving themselves are as much a drain on the NHS but I still hold with the view, they need help as well.
Turning backs on people doesn't seem a constructive answer to such problems,that's my thinking anyway.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As it happens however,I know someone who is an alcoholic, he really has tried to keep off it but fails.
There again, he wouldn't be an alcoholic if therer were dangers of him relapsing and drinking again.

I have all kinds of respect..and pity really...for people who do want to quit but can't. However the girl I know has totally blackened my view tbh. She openly admits she will never try to get off it as she enjoys it, she has told nurses, consultants, everyone in the hospital that she has no intention of stopping drinking, yet they continue to waste money, time and resources on her when others who actually do want to help themselves are made to wait years for treatment. That in my eyes is completely wrong.

[Smithy]

imo people who continue their deteriorative behaviour should be refused all help on the NHS, be it alcoholics, obesity, drug abuse or cancer from smoking

they're the only people to blame for their problems, why should tax payers money be spent on them if they aren't willing to stop

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

imo people who continue their deteriorative behaviour should be refused all help on the NHS, be it alcoholics, obesity, drug abuse or cancer from smoking

they're the only people to blame for their problems, why should tax payers money be spent on them if they aren't willing to stop

They CAN do this too...my mum was told they wouldn't operate on her unless she stopped smoking and stayed off for 6 months.

Spoiler:

Longer story, she had a masectomy and they wanted to give her a reconstruction but she said she wanted other breast removed instead as a boob job at her age would look ridiculous plus she was worried about cancer coming back in other breast. After much fighting they finally agreed to remove 'healthy' breast..but with the above conditions

So I dont understand why they cant put these conditions on everyone if they can do it to my mum. Her cancer wasn't even related to smoking either

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Smithy

imo people who continue their deteriorative behaviour should be refused all help on the NHS, be it alcoholics, obesity, drug abuse or cancer from smoking

they're the only people to blame for their problems, why should tax payers money be spent on them if they aren't willing to stop

I agree actually

[Kizzy]

The bottom line is the NHS is there to help people regardless of circs or who feels they are not worth it... There are criteria to meet though, you will be offered bypass surgery if your BMI is over 40 provided you have made a considerable effort beforehand to show you're committed to maintaining weight loss.
Alcoholics usually have complex mental health issues but treatment for painful complications would never be denied as it would be inhumane, they need wraparound care via mental health services but this is sadly lacking as funding is cut further and further back.
I can't imagine why the ok was given for the boob job, that does seem to be referred on mental health grounds but personally I don't agree with it.
The gender issue is very new and it seem to me they are attempting to address the issue before the onset of puberty? medicine is I guess always in a state of flux, it's great that we are pioneering new treatments and research it benefits those in the future.

[InOne]

The thing is if a dependent alcoholic ends up in hospital for two days or something then that's not nearly enough time for a detox. What will happen is they'll be given librium for a few days and kicked out again once they seem stable. It's fair enough because they need beds but it's normally with no advice about alcoholism and they're still dependent. Then the cycle begins again.

I was lucky to get a full detox but that's only because I was homeless, if I'd have gone back to my old home environment I would've been straight back on it. So can't fault them for getting in contact with services to find me somewhere to live. I've completely taken the piss in the past though and I can understand why people have a view with alcoholics and hospital. But there's all sorts of stuff going on rather than the alcohol normally.

[Kizzy]

I agree there is always some underlying emotional trauma and addiction is a way of blocking that imo. I feel so sad when I read about your mother TS, who quickly a life can unravel and spiral out of control... I've felt that way myself, like I'm only holding on by my fingernails over a cliff, it's not nice.
The gauge for me of this civilised society is how we treat those physically or mentally afflicted. The day we consider some 'worthless' it's over.

[arista]

What a Mess 13 years of New Labour left us

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

What a Mess 13 years of New Labour left us

I think it would be fair to say that they,Labour, got a fair few things wrong even on the NHS although for me they are the only party presently I would trust more with it now.

Then again they were dealing with a horrendous mess and rundown of the NHS after an 18 year unbroken run of power by the Conservatives up to 1997.
If anyone should have sorted out the NHS and had it running to full efficiency and near perfection then they should have done in that 18 years.
(Rather than have people waiting between a year and 18 months for a cataract operation, never mind other vital surgery and treatments waiting times).
Then leaving it on its knees in 1997.

The problems with the NHS, in the main for me, lie with the people at the very top, the managers who allow waste left,right and centre, while protecting their own little empires within the NHS.

[BigSister]

If I didnt have the nhs to fall back on for my eye injections and they came on nhs at just the right time we woukd have to stop now as it woukd be far too much money. Which is why people who just abuse the nhs and dont need it make me annoyed and the people who do need it for physical and mental needs are just swatted away

[Kizzy]

Too many chiefs and not enough indians, managers with no clinical experience making life or death decisions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Too many chiefs and not enough indians, managers with no clinical experience making life or death decisions.

Absolutely and sadly at present no political party seems to have the will to change all that.
Again however,in my view,the last thing the NHS needs in the next few years,(other than some repeal of some of this Govts. disastrous reforms), is a further period of really big changes.

[Kizzy]

The government are currently running the NHS into the ground to sneak the private sector in the back door.

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-old-girl.html

More waste..I know 5k isnt a lot in the grand scheme of things, but COME ON!

[Nedusa]

Far too much outsourcing in my opinion, everything from consultants to cleaners.

[Kizzy]

RISING demand has led to spending on private ambulances in Yorkshire soaring by 267 per cent in less than three years.

Yorkshire Ambulance Service paid private firms £2.8m in nine months out of the 12 in 2013 – up from £782,000 from April 2011/12.

The number of incidents non-NHS ambulances were sent to annually rocketed by more than 1,000 per cent between 2010 and 2014.

Why is this happening?... Because the government are allowing it to happen.


http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...kets-1-6637800

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

RISING demand has led to spending on private ambulances in Yorkshire soaring by 267 per cent in less than three years.

Yorkshire Ambulance Service paid private firms £2.8m in nine months out of the 12 in 2013 – up from £782,000 from April 2011/12.

The number of incidents non-NHS ambulances were sent to annually rocketed by more than 1,000 per cent between 2010 and 2014.

Why is this happening?... Because the government are allowing it to happen.


http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...kets-1-6637800

Yes agree, as I said in my earlier post far too much outsourcing,