[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

What are you on about. Helen is by far the nasty self-absorbed bitch and the public can't stand her. Yes Helen is a chav and other chavs will like her, but who the hell cares what the chavs think.

[sampvt]

you might not and neither do I tbh, but their votes shout loud and clear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Morsh with the Ashleigh hate

Again?

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by sampvt

you might not and neither do I tbh, but their votes shout loud and clear.

The brainless chavs can shout as loud as they like, no one else is listening.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Helen has had a load of twists thrown at her and Ashleigh hasn't. Helen has been the most talked about and controversial contestant and Ashleigh spent 3 weeks on her bed. Helen has.........you know what, this whole argument is so bloody silly its turned into a na na na na na crappy school kids fight. The simple fact is that Ashleigh has been sheltered and helped along where as Helen has had crap thrown at her from day one so when all angles are considered, Helen is the most deserving HM and therefore the most deserving of our support. What entertainment has the silly dog hugging princess *******igh offered...... Yawn yawn.

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

[ruiphillips]

Queen Ashleigh needs to take the crown and become the best female winner since Kate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

Queen Ashleigh needs to take the crown and become the best female winner since Kate.

Amen

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by RodHull

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by sampvt

you might not and neither do I tbh, but their votes shout loud and clear.

Helen does not have the public. Come on.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What are you on about. Helen is by far the nasty self-absorbed bitch and the public can't stand her. Yes Helen is a chav and other chavs will like her, but who the hell cares what the chavs think.

Well I'm not a chav thankyou very much and I much prefer Helen to Ashleigh,how about I say sly devious people will like Ashleigh as like is drawn to like.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by RodHull

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

Excellent post,

[Sophiee]

by far, the selection of girls this year has just been abysmal.

[jet]

Originally Posted by RodHull

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

No, people love Ashleigh because she has guts and morals. She didn't fall into line like the little immature schoolboys did to win her approval and escape the wrath of her vile gob. She refused to be cowed by her and the few fans that Helen has can't stand that an 18 year old is more mature, smarter and has more fans than the usual BB chav type which is SO old...

Helen IS a hideous bully. Perhaps you forget that BB has given her numerous warnings for just that very trait? I have to laugh when you say she got brutal edits - if she didn't do it, they couldn't show it.
The jealously towards a young, beautiful, smart, moralistic girl from a minority is not unusual. She's outstanding in so many ways, and that's threatening to those who feel better about themselves by championing a chav...

And nobody knows what Ashleigh would have been like if Helen hadn't been there, so your point there is irrelevant and just heresay.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If Helen is not counted because "without her pass she'd have been evicted weeks ago" then Ashleigh doesn't count either because there's various times she'll have been evicted. Including last week, if Biannca hadn't been evicted then Ashleigh would've gone.

I know quite a few people have responded to this already but I'm surprised that nobody responded with the (obvious) fact that KIMBERLY would've been evicted before Ashleigh anyway

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by RodHull

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

What a great post

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by RodHull

The only reason anybody likes the little two faced cowardly witch (tonights show was almost unbearable, the fake tears, the pretend emotion about nominating Ash who she has put up each and every week) is because she dislikes Helen.

ERGO without Helen Ashleigh would have had almost no impact on the series. Peoples love for Ashleigh is a direct response to not being able to vote out Helen and seeing Helen as some hideous bully (she got brutal edits in those early weeks)

Ashleigh without Helen would have done sod all except clutch her bear and moan. Oh hang on that is ALL she has done anyway...

Well if the pageant thing doesn't work out for her, I see a future in soap operas.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What a great post

It's a load of bull. How is it a great post when it says Ashleigh fans only perceive her as a bully. You'll be saying next that Helen didn't get warnings and a final one for bullying and Ashleigh fans just made that up to damn her.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I know quite a few people have responded to this already but I'm surprised that nobody responded with the (obvious) fact that KIMBERLY would've been evicted before Ashleigh anyway

Exactly!

[Achilles]

Cinderella Ashleigh to win BIG BROTHER 2014

Who cares what ugly step sisters think

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I know quite a few people have responded to this already but I'm surprised that nobody responded with the (obvious) fact that KIMBERLY would've been evicted before Ashleigh anyway

Right. My point still stands. Twists, twists, twists.

Every exit, every save, every nomination this series has been because of a twist or other random event such as a walker or a new housemate. None of it has come from a natural and normal nomination/eviction process. So to single Helen out as the only housemate to have made her way through the show on the back of twists is incorrect.

[Shaun]

Well not quite, really, since the only other candidate for "being saved a lot" is Steven and that looks pretty set to end this week.

- Winston has been about as involved in the twists as Nelson Mandela has.
- Mark has wriggled around and been involved in just the one twist, Ashleigh's alliance.
- Christopher has been up for eviction at near enough every opportunity (and has only survived on account of being terminally dull)
- Chris has faced a fair few too, and aside from being voted as power housemate and sworn into Ashleigh's fake alliance, has had no assistance.
- Jale had a brief sojourn with being the bullying victim but then had to go because Marlon saved himself.
- Pav and Zoe face eviction at the very first opportunity (and indeed had to go through one to get in the house)
- And of course Ashleigh's been undone by the first one she's involved in (this one).

And then there're the housemates who've fallen at the first hurdle of being involved in a twist: Matthew, Toya, Pauline, Danielle...

In fact the only housemates who've saved themselves through a twist aside from Helen are Marlon (that ended well), Ash (who cares?) and anyone in week 4 who was lucky enough to have been born with a vagina.

[Marsh.]

Winston faced eviction during girl power week.... because of a twist.

What I'm saying is that decisions as to who goes up for eviction each week comes from a twist rather than the natural process anyway.

[Shaun]

Indeed he did so that's further evidence of Helen being isolated as the only safe housemate isn't it

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Indeed he did so that's further evidence of Helen being isolated as the only safe housemate isn't it

No because all of the females were?

I feel you've taken my original point off topic. My point is none of them have made their way to now via a fair and consistent system. They're all there via luck of the draw because of the twists which could've seen any of them out before now. Especially because those twists were last minute, shoddily thrown together things each and every week.

So Helen is not the only one in there to have made it to that week via an unfair, shoddy system. To some degree, they all have.

For example, the week Chris was the only one to nominate, everybody who wasn't in his firing line benefited from that when he was targeting Jale's bullies. They didn't "survive" a fair nomination process.

In fact, given recent twists, it's making the pass to the final look a hell of a lot fairer.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because Helen - an original female - is still in there too.

Both Helen and Ashleigh have been saved by twists and without those twists both would have likely been evicted before now.

Again, it's not one rule for one and another for the other.

He's got a point, I'm Ashleigh's biggest fan and he has a point.