[the truth]

Another nurse has been suspended as part of an inquiry into the alleged falsification of patient records at south Wales hospitals, taking the total to 15.

The nurse was from Princess of Wales Hospital, Bridgend, taking the total number to be suspended from there to 14, while one is from Swansea's Morriston Hospital.

Three of those nurses have been charged over alleged falsification of records.


Delighted they are finally starting to weed out some of these many corrupt uncaring frankly evil nurses from nhs hospitals in wales

this is just the tip of the iceberg, Ive been to welsh hospitals many times and know 101 similar horror stories such as these.

Labour and welsh labour have covered this all up for decades. they all wanted to keep patronising the nurses union to as to keep them on board as the biggest strongest union in the UK. anyone who pointed out that the vast army of nurses are far from the angels being portrayed, in many cases angels of death. were shouted down as paranoid or in some caused as chauvanistic sexist men. thankfully anne clwyd finally got this some of the attention it deserved

people are being killed enmasse. tens of thousands are not being treated, are being ignored, doctors and nurses pressurise families under pressure to allow their loved ones to die the moment they arrive in some nhs wards. even before the emotionally fraught families get a proper diagnosis of whats wrong with their beloved mother/father/daughter/son etc

DNR do not resuscitate are being put on hospital beds even without consultation. this means if a patient slips into a coma they are not brought out of it and allowed to die

people , thousands of people have died of thirst in nhs hospitals, the levels of filthy bug mrsa is 70 times higher in the Uk than in scandinavian countries.

yet the corruption and lies go on and on and on

the board are corrupt , self serving and wasteful, the chief execs are failing, many fail to even visit wards, doctors have too much power and go into hiding and refuse to cover evenings and weekends properly. bad nurses always pass the buck.

the ombudsman department is a joke, a sick joke. theyre barely contactable, totally under staffed and their attitude as just as bad. cover it all up

in wales theyve been taking organs from dead people without telling anyone till recently. theres even missing dead bodies in some hospitals.

I challenge any of you to go to a hospital where people are fighting for their lives and try to get a straight answer and a;ll the proper tests done on that individual?

its a disaster and is far far far far far worse than anyone even begins to realise!

[Kizzy]

Bad nurses? As I've said many times nurses do not manage or dictate patient protocol.

Look how you're treated for speaking out...
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-...ontentID=14230

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Bad nurses? As I've said many times nurses do not manage or dictate patient protocol.

Look how you're treated for speaking out...
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-...ontentID=14230

you should speak out, I should speak out, we should all speak out again and again and again so clearly so fcking loudly until this stink reaches parliament and they realise were as mad as hell and were not going to take it any more. id advise EVERYONE who visits an nhs hospital to keep their mobile phone charged and if they feel mistreated ring 999 immediately. you sit there quietly and accept this disgusting abuse, lies, cover ups and youll die quietly. theyve gotten away with it for far far too many years

[Tip]

I agree these things shouldn't be hidden, and it would be great if things changed.

These days however, the NHS may not survive for long anyway - you do wonder if people are going to be happy with what comes next.

[Kizzy]

Of course they aren't tip but they are deluding themselves the government have the countries best interests at heart.... they don't.

[Livia]

Some people are terribly neglected and treated appallingly in hospital by the very people who should be caring for them. My father's mother was a nurse at the Royal London, doing her training there as a young woman, she also worked at St Thomas's and other famous London hospitals and it saddens her very much how things have changed. When she herself had to go into hospital she was so distressed with her treatment that we removed her and paid for her to go into a private clinic. Sadly, many people aren't able to do that. This was six years ago now, under a Labour government. You can't make people care, it's not a module on a degree... it's something you can either do, or you can't. And if you can't, nursing probably isn't for you.

[the truth]

clearly we HAVE to put caring back into nursing? and make the bad nurses more responsible for their actions ...But HOW?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

clearly we HAVE to put caring back into nursing? and make the bad nurses more responsible for their actions ...But HOW?

I wish I knew. Thing is, the majority of nurses are brilliant... as usual it's the one or two who aren't that really mess it up. My grandmother thinks the answer is to go back to hospitals being run by a Matron rather than managers who try to run it like a business. I think there's a lot of sense in that.

[Kizzy]

If you didn't want to care then you wouldn't go into nursing regardless of what modules you cover during the 3yrs you're training.
Look at funding,look at the numbers of nurses per patient, look at the amount of patients per PCT, look at waiting lists for specialists... They are all factors in patient care.

[the truth]

It may be a minority its hard to estimate. Alas this minority ruins it for everyone else, puts more pressure on fellow nurses and staff....and ultimately costs the patients, sometimes with their lives....the buck never seems to stop anywhere. Until recently nurses had been the angels of mercy, under labours sycophantic leadership it became politically incorrect to criticize nurses, possibly because so many are female and of course because of the nuion and votes....now the culture is changing slowly....troubleshooters MUST be encouraged and rewarded when they expose corruption, abuse etc

In my dealings with the trust , I was pretty disgusted with how they operate. Id take a blowtorch to all middle management jobs. Then get the chief execs on the wards every day of their working lives, not hiding on a laptop planning their next world cruise.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you didn't want to care then you wouldn't go into nursing regardless of what modules you cover during the 3yrs you're training.
Look at funding,look at the numbers of nurses per patient, look at the amount of patients per PCT, look at waiting lists for specialists... They are all factors in patient care.

NO MORE BUCK PASSING for bad nurses, end of

If they dont want to do the job leave, a bad nurses is worse than no nurse.

I cannot believe youre defending nurses who refuse to feed , clothe, even give water to patients? they have NO excuse for these abuses. there are more nurses than ever, more members of staff than ever, more specialised facilities than ever. they are also paid far more than ever. if they abuse or neglect patients they should be held accountable and go to prison for avery long time

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

NO MORE BUCK PASSING for bad nurses, end of

If they dont want to do the job leave, a bad nurses is worse than no nurse.

I cannot believe youre defending nurses who refuse to feed , clothe, even give water to patients? they have NO excuse for these abuses. there are more nurses than ever, more members of staff than ever, more specialised facilities than ever. they are also paid far more than ever. if they abuse or neglect patients they should be held accountable and go to prison for avery long time

Why don't you do some research before another of your reactionary statements relating to staffing and pay?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...l-fewer-nurses

'New workforce figures show that there are 276,608 qualified nurses or their full-time equivalent working in the health service – 4,823 fewer than when the coalition took office two years ago.'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nh...in-a-year.html

'The surge follows cuts to NHS programmes to train nurses in this country, with 10,000 training places cut since 2010.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28300146

Peter Carter, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, said: "Nursing staff have long recognised the importance of safe staffing levels and consistently provided evidence of the danger to patients where there are too few staff.

"It is good to see that this is now being recognised across the NHS."

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the guidelines were a "major step forward".

"The NHS will be able to give safer care, and patients can have confidence that the right number of nursing staff are on duty."

The guidance also applies to Wales, although it will now be up to ministers there whether it will be applied.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-average.html

'the report tells a different story for nurses, with Britain one of only three states that pays them less than the average wage.
The typical nurse earns just 90 per cent the value of the average salary – a level that is worse only in Slovakia and Hungary.'

Please don't twist my posts to infer I'm defending poor care whilst replying to your comments.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why don't you do some research before another of your reactionary statements relating to staffing and pay?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...l-fewer-nurses

'New workforce figures show that there are 276,608 qualified nurses or their full-time equivalent working in the health service – 4,823 fewer than when the coalition took office two years ago.'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nh...in-a-year.html

'The surge follows cuts to NHS programmes to train nurses in this country, with 10,000 training places cut since 2010.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28300146

Peter Carter, general secretary of the Royal College of Nursing, said: "Nursing staff have long recognised the importance of safe staffing levels and consistently provided evidence of the danger to patients where there are too few staff.

"It is good to see that this is now being recognised across the NHS."

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the guidelines were a "major step forward".

"The NHS will be able to give safer care, and patients can have confidence that the right number of nursing staff are on duty."

The guidance also applies to Wales, although it will now be up to ministers there whether it will be applied.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-average.html

'the report tells a different story for nurses, with Britain one of only three states that pays them less than the average wage.
The typical nurse earns just 90 per cent the value of the average salary – a level that is worse only in Slovakia and Hungary.'

Please don't twist my posts to infer I'm defending poor care whilst replying to your comments.

you need to do more research and look at figures beyond just a tiny period in time that suit your narrow agenda. try to be less reactionary and dont take this personal or getting over sensitive. but youre trying to excuse what is in effect mass manslaughter on an horrific scale

ok so bad nurses who allow old people to die of thirst on wards are all excused because theyre not being paid a fortune? most horrors happened under labour when the nhs had record levels of investment, wages rises , staff increases and scientific developments. yet their performance fell and we had endless horrific scandals.

The fact their pay has stagnated somewhat in the past few years is reflected in the disastrous nursing performances over the years where so many thousands of innocents died thanks to their ruthless incompetence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

you need to do more research and look at figures beyond just a tiny period in time that suit your narrow agenda. try to be less reactionary and dont take this personal or getting over sensitive. but youre trying to excuse what is in effect mass manslaughter on an horrific scale

ok so bad nurses who allow old people to die of thirst on wards are all excused because theyre not being paid a fortune? most horrors happened under labour when the nhs had record levels of investment, wages rises , staff increases and scientific developments. yet their performance fell and we had endless horrific scandals.

The fact their pay has stagnated somewhat in the past few years is reflected in the disastrous nursing performances over the years where so many thousands of innocents died thanks to their ruthless incompetence.

It's very recent very relevant information, and I'll ask you again to stop twisting what I say please.
Try to focus on what is happening now, this isn't a retrospective is it? What were these horrors... I see no evidence of that other than a very skewed overview.
Pay has nothing to do with performance I'm sorry but that's a nonsense.

Look at the link I provided there are many, many articles and academic reports that provide you with as much information as you like on all aspects of nursing..
Of course there are failings that's unfortunate but it isn't endemic, my take is that there is a sinister undercurrent that is hell bent on damaging public confidence in the NHS in the hope that it will ease the transition from public to private sector... I don't think anyone has grasped what that would actually mean if it happened.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's very recent very relevant information, and I'll ask you again to stop twisting what I say please.
Try to focus on what is happening now, this isn't a retrospective is it? What were these horrors... I see no evidence of that other than a very skewed overview.
Pay has nothing to do with performance I'm sorry but that's a nonsense.

Look at the link I provided there are many, many articles and academic reports that provide you with as much information as you like on all aspects of nursing..
Of course there are failings that's unfortunate but it isn't endemic, my take is that there is a sinister undercurrent that is hell bent on damaging public confidence in the NHS in the hope that it will ease the transition from public to private sector... I don't think anyone has grasped what that would actually mean if it happened.

you also ignore the fact that the overall number of staff employed by the nhs has grown hugely over the past decade and takes a lot of the pressure off nurses as they help with a lot of the menial tasks. sadly this has made nurses lazier.

your line about failings being "unfortunate" but not endemic is disgusting. totally fickle almost trivialising the avoidable deaths of thousands of innocent people. try to join up the dots on whats happened over the past decade and how its impacting on the present. you cannot discount the previous years it is all totally relevant and has lead us to the disastrous standards of nursing we have now seen. its apologists like you who empower and enable these bad nurses to continue their sub human disgusting practices. weve lost more british citizens to bad nursing in the past decade than we have in the iraqi and afghan wars combined.

if they dont care if they dont like the pay , quit. leave the job to people who do care enough to feed cloth people properly, to listen to sick people to put others first and at the very least to not allow people to die of thirst in their hospital beds. trouble shooters must be encouraged, bad nurses must be targeted and ousted immediately. leaving behind the good caring professional nurses to give the patients the treatment they deserve.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

you also ignore the fact that the overall number of staff employed by the nhs has grown hugely over the past decade and takes a lot of the pressure off nurses as they help with a lot of the menial tasks. sadly this has made nurses lazier.

your line about failings being "unfortunate" but not endemic is disgusting. totally fickle almost trivialising the avoidable deaths of thousands of innocent people. try to join up the dots on whats happened over the past decade and how its impacting on the present. you cannot discount the previous years it is all totally relevant and has lead us to the disastrous standards of nursing we have now seen. its apologists like you who empower and enable these bad nurses to continue their sub human disgusting practices. weve lost more british citizens to bad nursing in the past decade than we have in the iraqi and afghan wars combined.

if they dont care if they dont like the pay , quit. leave the job to people who do care enough to feed cloth people properly, to listen to sick people to put others first and at the very least to not allow people to die of thirst in their hospital beds. trouble shooters must be encouraged, bad nurses must be targeted and ousted immediately. leaving behind the good caring professional nurses to give the patients the treatment they deserve.

As has the population of the UK...
You're twisting again, I'm not trivialising anything, there will be bad nurses just as there are bad plumbers and bad mechanics... it doesn't reflect badly on the profession as a whole does it?
Nor am I being an 'apologist' look at NHS guidelines and how they have changed in relation to patient care, look at how those working within these guidelines have spoken out only to be blackballed.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As has the population of the UK...
You're twisting again, I'm not trivialising anything, there will be bad nurses just as there are bad plumbers and bad mechanics... it doesn't reflect badly on the profession as a whole does it?
Nor am I being an 'apologist' look at NHS guidelines and how they have changed in relation to patient care, look at how those working within these guidelines have spoken out only to be blackballed.

You certainly were trivialising. these are all matters of life and death.
there are bad plumbers and that is a serious matter, but a bad nurses is life or death. this is clearly rife and a far bigger issue than anyone dared suspect. if youd read what I said troubleshooter should not be blackballed they should be encouraged by the politicians and rewarded. the standard of nursing stinks and yes it isnt an isolated number of incidents its a pandemic. its rife. and it disgusts me and one day no doubt it will kill me and you off before our time