[Cherie]

They were really pushing this on BOTS last night, even to the point where Judy James turned on Winston saying his argument with her could cost him as Helen is really popular now?? What journey is this then, is anyone actually swallowing that anyone can go into the house and emerge 10 weeks later a completely changed person

[Niamh.]

As if Helen is more popular than Winston

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As if Helen is more popular than Winston

Did you see it? even your mate Liam was banging on about her journey

[HBB1508]

I agree with you Cherie people can't change in that short space of time - even in the BB environment - but it seems that the producers are hell bent on getting people to buy into this rubbish for some reason.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Did you see it? even your mate Liam was banging on about her journey

I know And I usually find Liam to be pretty spot on too. I've been having a scroll through FB comments, she doesn't seem to be popular on there at all

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

I agree with you Cherie people can't change in that short space of time - even in the BB environment - but it seems that the producers are hell bent on getting people to buy into this rubbish for some reason.

well she already has her eyes on some new boobs, I guess someone needs to pay for them Lynne

[Alf]

I wish she would go on a journey, preferably a long one to a far away place.

[rusticgal]

Just James has lost the plot...she lost it last year. She needs to go. It's like she's on another planet.
Please don't bring her back next year...

[bbfan1991]

Helen's journey is to more vileness, she is a nasty piece of work.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Helen's journey is to more vileness, she is a nasty piece of work.

All Helens done is managed to keep a bit of a lid on the anger issues she has not because she wants to change but because she doesn't want to get kicked out of the house, you can see it bubbling away under the surface and you can tell she can't wait to let it all out again when BB isn't calling the shots anymore

[rionablue]

I agree that Judy James doesn't really seem to read the housemates anymore. Its like she has lost anything she was trained to do. While I totally agree that Helen isn't a totally different person to what she was in those first few weeks I think she has had nicer moments when she has showed emotion and maybe held herself in check a little when certain incidents happen. The only thing I will say about her is that she is really loyal to her friends in there. That doesn't make her a better person to those she doesn't like. I feel that Helen has been hurt ( and probably allowed herself to be hurt) in the past and her first instinct in every situation is lash out and be vile.

I couldn't stand her at the start but I certainly don't hate her anymore and like her or loathe her she has given some class moments (even if they were awful fights) I don't for a minute believe she is more popular than Winston who I think would be a good winner as would Christopher but I guess part of me is willing to give her a chance whethat that makes me a sucker or not I don't know. its just riona's opinion of course x

[joeysteele]

Well we won't know what sort of fan base she will have.
The problem with the free pass is that there has been little,other than snippets of info from some viewers,to indicate what may happen as to her.

I have no doubt at all that she would have likely gone in eviction battles if nominated or at best amazingly narrowly been saved under vote to evict.
However,in the final, it will be vote to win.
Then it is only those who support her or like her who will be the ones voting for her and how many times they do that and how many they number could be surprising.
I will be one voting for her in the final for sure.

As to her journey, they all have a journey in the BB house,you cannot take yourself away from the world and family and friends and not learn something about yourself.
I was only at Uni but learned day by day different things as to myself, so you must learn more about yourself in the BB house for 10 weeks with people you don't know at all.

There is one thing she has 'controlled' and that is her temper,also the endless spouting of really foul language, so she has demonstrated that if she cannot change,she can at least control some of the more unpleasant sides to her character a fair bit of the time.
That is to be commended,whether it is just controlling it or setting out to change it altogether.

I don't myself believe she is more popular than Winston,I don't believe she will win or even come 3rd either.
However that will depend on those who support and like her,which then with their votes she just might do much better than many think she will in the final.

[CaudleHalbard]

I still think Helen will be first out on the final night.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

All Helens done is managed to keep a bit of a lid on the anger issues she has not because she wants to change but because she doesn't want to get kicked out of the house, you can see it bubbling away under the surface and you can tell she can't wait to let it all out again when BB isn't calling the shots anymore

Helen is losing her grip and she knows it, it's so close to the end now that Helen is fearing being out of the BB bubble and being released back into reality, where the majority of people will be hostile about her actions in there

She'll also be confronted with her escort past once out by the public, we know about the Footballer but if you Google her she also slept with a Downton Abbey Actor, who had an injunction but still his name is all over the internet!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Helen is losing her grip and she knows it, it's so close to the end now that Helen is fearing being out of the BB bubble and being released back into reality, where the majority of people will be hostile about her actions in there

She'll also be confronted with her escort past once out by the public, we know about the Footballer but if you Google her she also slept with a Downton Abbey Actor, who had an injunction but still his name is all over the internet!

With the fullest 'respect', an odd word as to this but those people 'paid' to sleep with her too.
Her past should have no bearing on her being a housemate since it was known by most and indeed BB too before she even went into the house.

Whatever she has done in the house, liked or hated, by those watching is an entirely different matter naturally.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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With the fullest 'respect', an odd word as to this but those people 'paid' to sleep with her too.
Her past should have no bearing on her being a housemate since it was known by most and indeed BB too before she even went into the house.

Whatever she has done in the house, liked or hated, by those watching is an entirely different matter naturally.

I do get what you're saying, but housemates go in and what they have done in the past is always brought up, via the press or leaks from people close to them. It's to get more interest in the housemates.

Some may argue, once the hm's go in they are open to all kinds of criticism.

[Ellen]

It wasnt even an argument with Winston so i dont know why he would lose popularity over a slight disagreement. That is just silly.

Helen has been on a journey, so have they all. It is a bit ridiculous to suggest someone would completely emerge as a different person in 10 weeks, that is not going to happen to any of them but there are some changes to the way she handles things which is a good thing. She has also shown some good qualities that we didnt see early on.

[Creggle]

Any popularity she has garnered will be lost after the eavesdropping incident. Listening to two people fairly discuss your character, them saying as many positives as negatives about yourself, running off to bitch about it and twist it to the very same person you were slagging to **** the day before...

I've never particularly liked her but always enjoyed her as a housemate because she could be hilarious (granted; laughing at her not WITH her) but she's so self obsessed and incapable of taking any kind of criticism, it's pathetic.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ellen

It wasnt even an argument with Winston so i dont know why he would lose popularity over a slight disagreement. That is just silly.

Helen has been on a journey, so have they all. It is a bit ridiculous to suggest someone would completely emerge as a different person in 10 weeks, that is not going to happen to any of them but there are some changes to the way she handles things which is a good thing. She has also shown some good qualities that we didnt see early on.

Good post Ellen, as ever from you,balanced and fair too.

[Kaitel]

Helen's "journey" merely consists of changing her game plan based on the reactions she hears from the audience. She was getting booed and Ashleigh started to get cheers, lets make peace with Ashleigh then, oh Pav's not as hated on the outside as I was told, suddenly Pav's not so bad, etc etc. When she gets angry the facade slips though and she shows her true colours again. She's just playing the public and some people are falling for it, like most of the housemates have and useless Judy James.

[beardedbloke]

Originally Posted by Kaitel

Helen's "journey" merely consists of changing her game plan based on the reactions she hears from the audience. She was getting booed and Ashleigh started to get cheers, lets make peace with Ashleigh then, oh Pav's not as hated on the outside as I was told, suddenly Pav's not so bad, etc etc. When she gets angry the facade slips though and she shows her true colours again. She's just playing the public and some people are falling for it, like most of the housemates have and useless Judy James.

spot on kaitel. Judy James is a poor excuse for a psychologies/body language expert, whatever her 'expertise' is.

[jet]

Helen hasn't changed one iota. The only journey she's been on is leading some viewers down the garden path.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well we won't know what sort of fan base she will have.
The problem with the free pass is that there has been little,other than snippets of info from some viewers,to indicate what may happen as to her.

I have no doubt at all that she would have likely gone in eviction battles if nominated or at best amazingly narrowly been saved under vote to evict.
However,in the final, it will be vote to win.
Then it is only those who support her or like her who will be the ones voting for her and how many times they do that and how many they number could be surprising.
I will be one voting for her in the final for sure.

As to her journey, they all have a journey in the BB house,you cannot take yourself away from the world and family and friends and not learn something about yourself.
I was only at Uni but learned day by day different things as to myself, so you must learn more about yourself in the BB house for 10 weeks with people you don't know at all.

There is one thing she has 'controlled' and that is her temper,also the endless spouting of really foul language, so she has demonstrated that if she cannot change,she can at least control some of the more unpleasant sides to her character a fair bit of the time.
That is to be commended,whether it is just controlling it or setting out to change it altogether.

I don't myself believe she is more popular than Winston,I don't believe she will win or even come 3rd either.
However that will depend on those who support and like her,which then with their votes she just might do much better than many think she will in the final.

I think she has changed Joey,not completely as that takes time,but I do like how Helen can look at herself and know her faults and if she is willing to try and better herself that to me says she is a much better person now than she was,I think she came in expecting to be hated and probably it's been like that for her for a long time,as she is getting older maybe she is looking at her life and changing it,I'm pretty sick of people who will never give anyone a chance,as though we are all so much better,we aren't,we have our flaws,imo,she has been the best thing about this BB.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Helen hasn't changed one iota. The only journey she's been on is leading some viewers down the garden path.

You don't know that for sure do you,so stop with the backhanded comments,she is not leading me up the garden path,I have made my mind up myself on her,I like her much more than I did,and that's something that has happened to a few people,THAT is what is gauling some people..

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is no Ashleigh