[Firewire]

Originally Posted by LukeB

everyone can change it just takes alot to do it that is what i'm trying to say. and don't forget people can say things they don't mean or say it in a wrong way when they are annoyed

most of the comments were unprovoked

[Marc]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Aaryn had a bad 2 weeks in the house. Frankie probably has been a horrible person all his life.

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

most of the comments were unprovoked

Yeah. Aaryn was awful to people for no reason. She definitely came in wanting to be the next Dani D or Janelle and thought bitchy would get her there. The racism was all her though.

[JerseyWins]

I'm sure Aaryn has changed her racial comment ways. I've said this before: she's ignorant and immature much more than anything else and did realize how wrong it was in the end. The boos probably solidified that for her but even in her time in the house alone she clearly started to realize that and started to change from beginning to end.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I'm sure Aaryn has changed her racial comment ways. I've said this before: she's ignorant and immature much more than anything else and did realize how wrong it was in the end. The boos probably solidified that for her but even in her time in the house alone she clearly started to realize that and started to change from beginning to end.

she didn't get many boo's

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

She wasn't bad at all between her comp wins & her change in strategy after her rough start. She was smart to be a "ho puppet" because if she wasn't she'd have been out like around Week 4 at best. She did what she had to, she just had a lot to overcome and got unlucky to end up being paired on the block with Andy.

She was terrible. Her comp wins don't mean anything because she had a ton of power but didn't use it well at all. She had a terrible social game early on (which is why she got off to such a rough start), she controlled GM's HoH but wasted it on getting Candice out of all people, and the first fast forward night was a mess and proved that Aaryn just wanted to please people and do what the house wanted. Judd's eviction did nothing for her, and then using her final HoH to get Helen out was another incredible waste. She was nothing but McCranda's ho puppet who could win comps for them, and the fact that she got 8th ****ing place despite winning four HoHs shows how bad she is.

[Donovan.]

She might say that she's changed and she might not make racial comments anymore, but she hasn't changed. Just at the beginning of this season she tweeted about the crowd cheering her HoH wins, cause she's clearly still trying to justify her comments with other people's approval. Like a little kid saying "they like me, I can't be wrong!" She doesn't think she did anything wrong. She might say it was wrong, but she doesn't think so.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

She was terrible. Her comp wins don't mean anything because she had a ton of power but didn't use it well at all. She had a terrible social game early on (which is why she got off to such a rough start), she controlled GM's HoH but wasted it on getting Candice out of all people, and the first fast forward night was a mess and proved that Aaryn just wanted to please people and do what the house wanted. Judd's eviction did nothing for her, and then using her final HoH to get Helen out was another incredible waste. She was nothing but McCranda's ho puppet who could win comps for them, and the fact that she got 8th ****ing place despite winning four HoHs shows how bad she is.

But getting Candice out was good for her game though for the obvious reasons.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

She was terrible. Her comp wins don't mean anything because she had a ton of power but didn't use it well at all. She had a terrible social game early on (which is why she got off to such a rough start), she controlled GM's HoH but wasted it on getting Candice out of all people, and the first fast forward night was a mess and proved that Aaryn just wanted to please people and do what the house wanted. Judd's eviction did nothing for her, and then using her final HoH to get Helen out was another incredible waste. She was nothing but McCranda's ho puppet who could win comps for them, and the fact that she got 8th ****ing place despite winning four HoHs shows how bad she is.

-Agreed on terrible social game early on - but she still overcame it with that "do what others want" "ho puppet" strategy you're talking about rather than getting taken out the next week.
-Candice was a pretty good choice to take out for both her and GM.
-Judd's eviction did nothing to hurt her either and there weren't many other ways to go that week without getting a group against her or making a more useless move for her.
-Taking Helen out was her big mistake but she chose a side with 3AM, which was good for her, and then got very unlucky I think the next week when Elissa won HOH and failed to take out Amanda after she won POV.


She wasn't great but easily above average. A LOT better than most people last season and this season, and a pretty smart strategy that she used after the position she put herself in early on.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by LukeB

despite that i like her,

she just had a bad 2 weeks, people can change, look at jade goody

LOL no Jade wasn't a Rasict she hated when people lie and Shilpa did, If you watched BB3 you would understand

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I'm sure Aaryn has changed her racial comment ways. I've said this before: she's ignorant and immature much more than anything else and did realize how wrong it was in the end. The boos probably solidified that for her but even in her time in the house alone she clearly started to realize that and started to change from beginning to end.

Aaryn's eviction interview consisted of her A) blaming her public perception on stereotypes about Southerners, and B) saying that everything was just taken out of context. That's hardly any growth.

And if people are still trying to pretend that Aaryn was just ignorant and didn't know better, remember when she bragged about outing a frat brother as gay just because? Like, her comments were SO explicit and SO frequent that it's clear to me that there was obviously more to it than just ignorance. Yes, Aaryn took the fall for her comments a lot more than others did, but that doesn't make her any less guilty and she doesn't deserve any sympathy for that. Especially considering the fact that she's apparently a BBUS fan, maybe she should've just, I don't know, not said any of those comments?

[Mokka]

So now we are at:

Frankie and Aaryn equally deserve(d) boo's upon eviction because their transgressions were similar in manner, although not the same. Furthermore, the boo's will aid them in seeing the error of their ways and prompt them to change.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

LOL no Jade wasn't a Rasict she hated when people lie and Shilpa did, If you watched BB3 you would understand

ok then
jade and jo was hated for it and jade said sorry
people complained to and then cbb got axed

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Aaryn's eviction interview consisted of her A) blaming her public perception on stereotypes about Southerners, and B) saying that everything was just taken out of context. That's hardly any growth.

That was her being ignorant and looking at it as being the way people act in the area she was raised. At the same time, she clearly felt sorry... the reasons are obviously unclear as no one can read a person's mind but she looked and acted sorry for it and was coming to the realization of it being wrong, while in the house a little bit and then especially during that interview when she was told exactly what she said.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

So now we are at:

Frankie and Aaryn equally deserve(d) boo's upon eviction because their transgressions were similar in manner, although not the same. Furthermore, the boo's will aid them in seeing the error of their ways and prompt them to change.

The main difference between the two is that I really don't think Aaryn is that bad of a person deep down. She is an ignorant person and ignorant people will say some offensive things without initially realizing how wrong it is because it's what they've been previously exposed to and may use it themselves in acts of anger or whatever.

Frankie on the other hand is a pretty nasty, bad person who wants to be liked extremely badly yet seriously doesn't care about the way he acts or whose feelings he's hurting. He feels extremely self-entitled, and doesn't truly care about too many others, is the biggest thing IMO.

[AarynGriesfan]

And if you listen to any of the many interviews Aaryn has had since especially the one she did with Liza from BBCan you can tell she's not a bad person just made some dumb comments.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Obviously part of it comes down to ignorance and insensitivity and whatever else. But that doesn't serve as a blanket excuse for everything and an explanation for Aaryn's despicable behavior. That doesn't explain her bragging about outing someone as gay to their fraternity. That doesn't explain the explicit nature of all of her racist remarks. That doesn't explain the frequency of all of her racist remarks. That doesn't explain her snapping her fingers at a black girl and saying "whatchu gonna doooooo gurlllll" in a tone that's equally derogatory and antagonistic. There's a huge difference between being a sheltered Southern girl and being someone who makes a **** ton of racist and homophobic remarks because they're a malicious and catty person, and that's clearly the kind of person Aaryn is. Just look at the hat incident or the bed flip, she's just a bitch and nothing more.

As for her apologies and "growth," when Amanda tried to warn Aaryn that some of her comments could be perceived as racist, she took no responsibility for her own comments and blamed others for being offended by them, and then tried to turn it around saying that she is the one being discriminated against because she's referred to as Barbie. Oh the struggles of being a pretty white girl! When Amanda brought it up again during the bed flip night, Aaryn put the blame on her and said that her trying to warn her as a friend was ****ed up and she's just trying to stir **** up, and that she never said anything racist. Then when Julie interviewed her, Aaryn was given a chance to address her comments and make a sincere apology. Instead, she just blamed it on the Southerner stereotype and said that everything was taken out of context and just threw in a "oh btw I apologize to anyone I ever offended even though I really shouldn't have " like... that's the furthest thing from a sincere apology and that's no sign of growth.

he also decided to throw the 25 million people from the state of Texas under the bus as well.

[JerseyWins]

I'm not going to waste any more time defending her besides this post because you're right on most of that, especially that she's also a catty person (although like many of the females cast on Big Brother).

I've just seen too many people like her; sheltered, spoiled, etc. people that are overall pretty good people but act in ignorance and would change that if they knew any better.

She might be a bit of a mean, catty, spoiled girl at times anyway, which are some of her bad qualities but she mostly showed a better, fun side of her as the season went on. A lot of people saw that.

Furthermore, people are messed up sometimes. To give a comparison with proof behind it, I've seen people here say some pretty messed up things about Christine, Frankie, & others (like people making fun of their appearance, certain things about them, etc.). You can go in most threads about them, or many other threads, and see that.

That doesn't automatically make any of us bad people either, it's just poor taste in comments sometimes that are generally mean but it happens. That's what happened with Aaryn from time to time in that house. Are racial comments where the line is drawn? It shouldn't be because also as I've said and will continue to believe, she's not a racist, it's just mainly ignorance. She's shown many signs of being a spoiled, ignorant person as I even see in some of your own examples... although those examples do show some other negatives but there's just good aspects to her as well that people do like.